Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if anyone wants to participate with the extra credit SACO assignment DUE: Nov. 7th, 11pm. There's a lot of assignments going on right now, but I really want to do this, so I'll go it alone if no one else is interested.
Let me know.
Thanks!
ps: Happy Halloween
Friday, October 31, 2008
classification
I saw in blackboard that we can pick either Dewey or Library of Congress classification - shall we go with LC again?
Thursday, October 30, 2008
Part 2 - Resource A
Here is the Resoure A cataloged. I put the begin date as 1990 because of the statement: “established at Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland USA in 1990”. Although with the 1996 update I’m not 100% sure this is the correct date for the web site, maybe just for the Human Genome Project.
I was also unsure how to record the two corporate names – if they do both get a 7xx field. Finally – are we to do both Dewey and LC classification or pick one? Anyone know? I did both.
I was also unsure how to record the two corporate names – if they do both get a 7xx field. Finally – are we to do both Dewey and LC classification or pick one? Anyone know? I did both.
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
A4 Part 1
I’m sorry I came in so late in the discussion for this assignment. I finally caught up with all the readings and emails for my classes.
Here is what I have for Part 1:
Resource A-Monograph. It’s a book issued with finite term.
Resource B-Integrating resource since it’s a website with constant updates.
Resource C-Serial. This is a journal that is issued in discrete parts with no predetermined conclusion.
Resource D-At first I thought it’s an integrating resource since it’s a website with constant updates. But after I take a closer look and I agree with everyone here that it can be a Serial since the updates are issued in discrete parts.
Resource E-I almost thought this is a monograph since it is published in one specific date without further mention of continuous publication. But you guys are correct that it is an Integrating Resource because it has constant updates.
Resource H-Integrating resource. A website that receives updates. No question here.
Alright. I’m going to start working on Part 2 now!
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Final for A4 Part 1
So are we agreed on the following:
A. Monograph; document issued in discrete part with no indication of continuing issues or updates.
B. Integrating Resource, Updating Website, Finite; continuous document updates for the duration of the Midwinter Conference with earlier iterations and updates combined.
C. Serial; remote access for document, with all issues and updates available in discrete parts.
D. Serial; links provide access to discrete updates via Web links.
E. Integrating resource; page declares the document is a work in process, updates periodically, like loose-leaf.
H. Integrating resource, database; updates become part of the whole document and do not remain discrete
A. Monograph; document issued in discrete part with no indication of continuing issues or updates.
B. Integrating Resource, Updating Website, Finite; continuous document updates for the duration of the Midwinter Conference with earlier iterations and updates combined.
C. Serial; remote access for document, with all issues and updates available in discrete parts.
D. Serial; links provide access to discrete updates via Web links.
E. Integrating resource; page declares the document is a work in process, updates periodically, like loose-leaf.
H. Integrating resource, database; updates become part of the whole document and do not remain discrete
A4-A1-Disccussion
Thank you for your suggestions.
Resource A:
I agree.
It's a monograph.
Resource D:
It does have discrete parts.
I think it's a serial too.
Resource E:
I thought the last version is like a last issue. Also, I found OCLC#224990309 is serial.
But, it is the update that do not remain discrete and are integrated into the whole.
The latest versions are placing the previous versions.
So, I agree that it is integrated resource.
Resource A:
I agree.
It's a monograph.
Resource D:
It does have discrete parts.
I think it's a serial too.
Resource E:
I thought the last version is like a last issue. Also, I found OCLC#224990309 is serial.
But, it is the update that do not remain discrete and are integrated into the whole.
The latest versions are placing the previous versions.
So, I agree that it is integrated resource.
Monday, October 27, 2008
A4 - P1 - Discussion
For resource A - I think we are to catalog for the e-book that is showing instead of the online catalog. The title of the web site states: Sociology of Education: Emerging Persepectives, which is also the title of the book, instead of "net Library" which would be the catalog that the ebook is found through. That's why I was saying it is a monograph. Do we need clarification?
Resource D - is a little tricky. It reminds me of a database, but there isn't a search feature, so it isn't that. There are weekly updates, and it looks like they retain the old issues, so maybe this one is a serial. It does have discrete parts.
Resource E - I don't think is a serial. I was thinking this is an Integrating Resource that updates more like a loose-leaf - with the updates not on a regular basis, but now that I look at it some more I think it is a monograph, like resource A. There are a table of contents listed, the two versions could be considered two different editions. They are both available, just as you would have both editions of a printed book. One reason why I don't think it is a serial is there is no indication of regular updates planned.
This web site is extremely similar to the slide: http://www.dublincore.org/documents/dc-html/
does it help to see this? I'm starting to think that what this is a a work-in-progress that is listed as the "current version" but there are moments when it becomes fixed or "published" and that's why there are the two earlier versions listed. But the updating is ongoing, and integrated into the documents as they go along. So it wouldn't be a monograph or serial but just Integrating Resource (really does remind me of a loose-leaf printed copy but online and changing more frequently).
Resource D - is a little tricky. It reminds me of a database, but there isn't a search feature, so it isn't that. There are weekly updates, and it looks like they retain the old issues, so maybe this one is a serial. It does have discrete parts.
Resource E - I don't think is a serial. I was thinking this is an Integrating Resource that updates more like a loose-leaf - with the updates not on a regular basis, but now that I look at it some more I think it is a monograph, like resource A. There are a table of contents listed, the two versions could be considered two different editions. They are both available, just as you would have both editions of a printed book. One reason why I don't think it is a serial is there is no indication of regular updates planned.
This web site is extremely similar to the slide: http://www.dublincore.org/documents/dc-html/
does it help to see this? I'm starting to think that what this is a a work-in-progress that is listed as the "current version" but there are moments when it becomes fixed or "published" and that's why there are the two earlier versions listed. But the updating is ongoing, and integrated into the documents as they go along. So it wouldn't be a monograph or serial but just Integrating Resource (really does remind me of a loose-leaf printed copy but online and changing more frequently).
A4 Part 1 discussion
Resource A:
Pamela and Natalie think it is Monograph.
But, I thought this information on website can be updated as intergrating resource.
For instance, 2nd edition of the title.
What do you think?
Resource D:
All updates will be added to new links.
I thought it is the same as Resource C.
So, it has discrete parts. (Serial)
What do you think?
Resource H:
Natalie and Pamela, you are right.
It is Integrating Resource Database.
Pamela and Natalie think it is Monograph.
But, I thought this information on website can be updated as intergrating resource.
For instance, 2nd edition of the title.
What do you think?
Resource D:
All updates will be added to new links.
I thought it is the same as Resource C.
So, it has discrete parts. (Serial)
What do you think?
Resource H:
Natalie and Pamela, you are right.
It is Integrating Resource Database.
Assignment 6
Hi everyone:
I'm back! I'm sorry for the late reply as I just got back this weekend and still trying to catch up with all the overdue emails. Unfortunately I couldn't get any Internet connection during traveling.
The plan sounds good. We can try to come up with a list of questions before the interview. I'll try to make it to the interview session as long it's in the evening (after 7pm).
I need to start looking at assignment 4 as well. I'll give my input as soon as possible.
I'm back! I'm sorry for the late reply as I just got back this weekend and still trying to catch up with all the overdue emails. Unfortunately I couldn't get any Internet connection during traveling.
The plan sounds good. We can try to come up with a list of questions before the interview. I'll try to make it to the interview session as long it's in the evening (after 7pm).
I need to start looking at assignment 4 as well. I'll give my input as soon as possible.
Sunday, October 26, 2008
part 1
Good Afternoon,
Hope you all enjoyed your weekend.
A. Are we evaluating the book or the entire website? How do we know?
D. Ok. I went back to the ppt. I see your point on this on this one, Toshu. The links provide access to updates in discrete parts.
H. Question for this one. I was thinking this was an IR Db. Toshu, did you decide it
is a website because of there is a URL?
Hope you all enjoyed your weekend.
A. Are we evaluating the book or the entire website? How do we know?
D. Ok. I went back to the ppt. I see your point on this on this one, Toshu. The links provide access to updates in discrete parts.
H. Question for this one. I was thinking this was an IR Db. Toshu, did you decide it
is a website because of there is a URL?
Part 1
Here's what I have for part 1.
A: monograph – finite resource, no indication of future updates (ebook)
B: integrating resource – has end date - finite
C: serial – infinite yet discrete, online
D: website integrating resource – infinite & non-discrete
E: integrating resource - non-discrete, updates periodically, like loose-leaf
H: integrating resource database
A: monograph – finite resource, no indication of future updates (ebook)
B: integrating resource – has end date - finite
C: serial – infinite yet discrete, online
D: website integrating resource – infinite & non-discrete
E: integrating resource - non-discrete, updates periodically, like loose-leaf
H: integrating resource database
Saturday, October 25, 2008
Assignmnet 4 part 1 Let's discuss!
Hi, Let's discuss part 1
Please let me know your suggestions.
Resource A:
Integrating Resource
This information on website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole.
Resource B:
Integrated resource
This information on website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole.
Resource C:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The title on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.
Resource D:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The title on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.
Resource E:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The updates on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.
Resource H:
Integrating Resource
This website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole
Please let me know your suggestions.
Resource A:
Integrating Resource
This information on website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole.
Resource B:
Integrated resource
This information on website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole.
Resource C:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The title on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.
Resource D:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The title on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.
Resource E:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The updates on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.
Resource H:
Integrating Resource
This website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Assign 6 plan
I'm okay with the plan as well. Yes, definitely record it in Elluminate, because in all likelihood I won't be able to make it to the Q&A - unless it's in the evenings. It's easy to set up, just request the time from Dr. Ellett.
Do you want to ask Mr. Manuel Urrizola the necessary questions from Dr. Ellett - "please provide number of staff in the cataloging department and whether the manager of the dept. has an MLIS degree." Or wait until Amber is back and chimes in? We have until next Friday to send in site approval.
...now for the IR assignment..... more later :-)
Do you want to ask Mr. Manuel Urrizola the necessary questions from Dr. Ellett - "please provide number of staff in the cataloging department and whether the manager of the dept. has an MLIS degree." Or wait until Amber is back and chimes in? We have until next Friday to send in site approval.
...now for the IR assignment..... more later :-)
Assignment 6 schedule
Head of our cataloging department, Mr. Manuel Urrizola, is willing to do the interview with us.
So, if you guys are alright with this plan, I will check his schedule and make an appointment.
I told him the interview will be about 30-40 min. and our questions will be presented to him as soon as possible.
Please let me know.
So, if you guys are alright with this plan, I will check his schedule and make an appointment.
I told him the interview will be about 30-40 min. and our questions will be presented to him as soon as possible.
Please let me know.
I am on board with thus plan
I think this is a good plan. I'll take any sections. It really doesn't matter to me. However, I would like to finish up the IR assignment before we get really going on this. Pam and I have started worked on the Non-Print assignment too. As far times for the Elluminate session, I am ok with Mon and Tues after 6pm and and anytime on Weds, Thurs, and Fri.
Assginment 6 plan
My supervisor suggested me to interview with our head of department.
So, I will ask my head of department to set up the meeting with Elluminate.
At the same time, I will ask Dr. Bob how to set up the Elluminate recording.
First of all, we need to set the interview time in November.
Secondly, we need to select questions.
From the guidlne, there are 10 categories.
I will work on category 1 since this is my work place.
We can divide the categories.
For example,
Toshu think about questions for categories 2&3.
And, we can put all together before the interview.
Please let me know.
So, I will ask my head of department to set up the meeting with Elluminate.
At the same time, I will ask Dr. Bob how to set up the Elluminate recording.
First of all, we need to set the interview time in November.
Secondly, we need to select questions.
From the guidlne, there are 10 categories.
I will work on category 1 since this is my work place.
We can divide the categories.
For example,
Toshu think about questions for categories 2&3.
And, we can put all together before the interview.
Please let me know.
Toshu's Idea
I think that is a great idea, Toshu. I would love to learn more about your department. I have one request that I think is pretty important. I would like have the session recorded for anyone who can't make it. Could you set up an Elluminate session with your supervisor so hopefully all can attend?
Assingment 6 Evaluation Cataloging Service
I could interview my superviosrs in my cataloging department (UC Riverside, Cataloging Metadata Dept.).
One of my supervisors agreed with the interview.
Recently, R2 team came to our library and did their evaluation.
One of R2 members interviewed me with my co-workers.
We can decide our questions togehter and divide the writing into 2-3 pages per a group member.
Please let me know.
One of my supervisors agreed with the interview.
Recently, R2 team came to our library and did their evaluation.
One of R2 members interviewed me with my co-workers.
We can decide our questions togehter and divide the writing into 2-3 pages per a group member.
Please let me know.
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
IR assignment
Good Morning Everyone,
Would anyone mind if we aim to complete this assignment on the original due date of 10/31? Pam and I have our non-print assignment due date coming up, and I would like to make sure we have enough time to do a good job. I started on part 1 last night. I wasn't quite sure about H. Does anyone have any ideas? I am going back to the books to take another look.
Here is what I have so far:
Part 1
Monograph, Serial, or IR? Why or why not?
A. Monograph; document issued in discrete part with no indication of continuing issues or updates.
B. Integrating Resource, Updating Website, Finite; continuous document updates for the duration of the Midwinter Conference with earlier iterations and updates combined.
C. Serial; remote access for document, with all issues and updates available.
D. Integrating Resource, Updating Web site; continuously updated and accessible via latest iteration.
E. Serial; earlier version is available and the document is likely to have future updates.
H. database????
Would anyone mind if we aim to complete this assignment on the original due date of 10/31? Pam and I have our non-print assignment due date coming up, and I would like to make sure we have enough time to do a good job. I started on part 1 last night. I wasn't quite sure about H. Does anyone have any ideas? I am going back to the books to take another look.
Here is what I have so far:
Part 1
Monograph, Serial, or IR? Why or why not?
A. Monograph; document issued in discrete part with no indication of continuing issues or updates.
B. Integrating Resource, Updating Website, Finite; continuous document updates for the duration of the Midwinter Conference with earlier iterations and updates combined.
C. Serial; remote access for document, with all issues and updates available.
D. Integrating Resource, Updating Web site; continuously updated and accessible via latest iteration.
E. Serial; earlier version is available and the document is likely to have future updates.
H. database????
Friday, October 17, 2008
Final draft Assign #3
Natalie
I think your cutter and call numbers are alright.
I changed my call numbers.
246 13 is variant title in serial.
I still think ISGS is a variant title of #2, not publisher.
130 0_ Newsletter (California State Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter.
246 13 ISGC
260 Springfield, Calif. : ǂb California State Veterinary Society.
300 v. ; ‡c 28 cm.
310 Bimonthly
500 Description based on: Vol.30 no.1 (Jan/Feb, 2008); title from caption.
500 Latest issue consulted: Vol.30, no.1 (Jan/Feb, 2008).
Please look at my #4.
I changed it from my final draft
My supervisor checked it and suggested those entries.
246 1_ ‡i P (CAPS)
090 BX6201 ǂb .F57
110 2_First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
245 14 The first edition.
246 1_‡i Prominently displayed on issue: ‡a Intersections
260 Norfolk, VA : ‡b First Baptist.
300 v. ; ‡c 24 cm.
310 Weekly
500 Description based on: Aug. 2/3, 2008 issue; title from cover.
500 Latest issue consulted: Aug. 9/10, 2008 issue.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ‡v Periodicals.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ‡v Directories,
650 _0Baptists ǂz Virginia ǂz Norfolk ǂv Periodicals.
Because this is about the church, so, the church gets the main entry.
The issues contain a lot of directory.
Thanks
Toshu
I think your cutter and call numbers are alright.
I changed my call numbers.
246 13 is variant title in serial.
I still think ISGS is a variant title of #2, not publisher.
130 0_ Newsletter (California State Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter.
246 13 ISGC
260 Springfield, Calif. : ǂb California State Veterinary Society.
300 v. ; ‡c 28 cm.
310 Bimonthly
500 Description based on: Vol.30 no.1 (Jan/Feb, 2008); title from caption.
500 Latest issue consulted: Vol.30, no.1 (Jan/Feb, 2008).
Please look at my #4.
I changed it from my final draft
My supervisor checked it and suggested those entries.
246 1_ ‡i P (CAPS)
090 BX6201 ǂb .F57
110 2_First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
245 14 The first edition.
246 1_‡i Prominently displayed on issue: ‡a Intersections
260 Norfolk, VA : ‡b First Baptist.
300 v. ; ‡c 24 cm.
310 Weekly
500 Description based on: Aug. 2/3, 2008 issue; title from cover.
500 Latest issue consulted: Aug. 9/10, 2008 issue.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ‡v Periodicals.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ‡v Directories,
650 _0Baptists ǂz Virginia ǂz Norfolk ǂv Periodicals.
Because this is about the church, so, the church gets the main entry.
The issues contain a lot of directory.
Thanks
Toshu
Assingment 3 Required another 500 fields, 300 fields & ISGS
Another 500 fields:
Dr Bob told me we should add the following 500 note for CONSER STANDARD
#1, #2 & #4
500 Latest issue consulted: Vol. 30 no. 1 (Jan/Feb, 2008) issue.
300 fields:
I’ve got the answer for 300 field from Dr. Bob.
Dr. Bob verified that we have to add 300 v. ‡c 28 cm. on #1 & #2
On #4, we have to measure it. I got 24 cm.
So, 300 v. ‡c 24 cm.
Dr Bob answer:
300 subfield a is not required.
For print volumes, use 300 v.
Refer to class meeting on 10/14
ISGS:
My question and Dr. Bob’s answer regarding ISGS
1) Assign 3 #2
246 13 ISGS
But, what does ISGS stand for?
Dr. Bob answer:
That is for the cataloger to figure out
(ISGS) Illinois State Geological Survey
http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/home.shtml
Or
Illinois State Genealogical Society (ISGS)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilsgs/
Dr Bob told me we should add the following 500 note for CONSER STANDARD
#1, #2 & #4
500 Latest issue consulted: Vol. 30 no. 1 (Jan/Feb, 2008) issue.
300 fields:
I’ve got the answer for 300 field from Dr. Bob.
Dr. Bob verified that we have to add 300 v. ‡c 28 cm. on #1 & #2
On #4, we have to measure it. I got 24 cm.
So, 300 v. ‡c 24 cm.
Dr Bob answer:
300 subfield a is not required.
For print volumes, use 300 v.
Refer to class meeting on 10/14
ISGS:
My question and Dr. Bob’s answer regarding ISGS
1) Assign 3 #2
246 13 ISGS
But, what does ISGS stand for?
Dr. Bob answer:
That is for the cataloger to figure out
(ISGS) Illinois State Geological Survey
http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/home.shtml
Or
Illinois State Genealogical Society (ISGS)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilsgs/
Extra Credit-no
Sorry everyone. I don't think I'll be able to join the extra credit project. I just recently got promoted as the Electronic resource assistant within my department. I'm also starting an internship with LA County Public Library. On top of that, I'm taking vacation next week (whew...I really need that...) So I don't think I have enough time for this extra credit.
Hope you all have a great week. I'll try to stay in touch.
Hope you all have a great week. I'll try to stay in touch.
Assign #3 (#2 & #3)
My boss is a CONSER level serial instructor.
He shares with me the following points:
#2
He show me an CONSER training example that is exactly the same as #2.
I think Dr Bob changed the titlte, publisher, and auther information.
But, maybe, he didn't change ISGS whcih stands for Illinos Society of Geography....
#3
The fist edition is a common serial title.
He searched and found an article on the web.
The article proves that people in the chuch calls the publication "The first edition."
He shares with me the following points:
#2
He show me an CONSER training example that is exactly the same as #2.
I think Dr Bob changed the titlte, publisher, and auther information.
But, maybe, he didn't change ISGS whcih stands for Illinos Society of Geography....
#3
The fist edition is a common serial title.
He searched and found an article on the web.
The article proves that people in the chuch calls the publication "The first edition."
Thursday, October 16, 2008
Assignment #3 Final Approach
Hi,
Let's wrap it up!
Thank you for your file, Pamela.
You can check with the CONSER cheatsheet.,
According to the cheatsheet
CONSER standard should be:
Elvl: blank
srce: c
o42 pcc
245 subfield b & c: not required
260 subfield c: not required
300 is not required
310 subfield b: not required
I have the following suggestions beside the fixed fields:
#1
Drop 245 subfield b
Drop 260 subfield c
Drop 300 subfield a
Drop 310 subfield b, And not Quaterly, "Bimonthly"
Need 1st indicator 362 1_
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_
#2
Need 1st indicator 130 0_
245 needs full stop
Add 246 13 ISGS
500 Description based on vol. 30, no. 1 (Jan/Feb 2008); title from caption.
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_
#4
Need 110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) not 130 0_
246 1_ ‡i prominently displayed on issue: ‡a Intersections, not 246 14
Drop 300 field
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_
I will send you guys my version.
Thanks
Let's wrap it up!
Thank you for your file, Pamela.
You can check with the CONSER cheatsheet.,
According to the cheatsheet
CONSER standard should be:
Elvl: blank
srce: c
o42 pcc
245 subfield b & c: not required
260 subfield c: not required
300 is not required
310 subfield b: not required
I have the following suggestions beside the fixed fields:
#1
Drop 245 subfield b
Drop 260 subfield c
Drop 300 subfield a
Drop 310 subfield b, And not Quaterly, "Bimonthly"
Need 1st indicator 362 1_
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_
#2
Need 1st indicator 130 0_
245 needs full stop
Add 246 13 ISGS
500 Description based on vol. 30, no. 1 (Jan/Feb 2008); title from caption.
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_
#4
Need 110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) not 130 0_
246 1_ ‡i prominently displayed on issue: ‡a Intersections, not 246 14
Drop 300 field
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_
I will send you guys my version.
Thanks
Where are we?
Hi, I feel quite unsure about this assignment due tomorrow. I just emailed what I have so far. I think the different types of AACR2 and CONSER are still confusing me. Yesterday I felt like I understood this better.....
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
serials assignment
Hi everyone.
I'm back, and jumping back into this serials cataloging. Yes, I agree let's go with the CONSER standard as well. I listened to the recording from yesterday's class and there are some answers there! Esp. for #2. If I understood correctly, the correct entries are following, although the capitalization may be wrong:
130 _ _ Newsletter (California state veterinary society)
245 10 Newsletter
710 _ _ California state veterinary society
For #1 I can see that Kent may be an abbreviation for Kentucky so I looked online and there is a town called Tonbridge in Kent (I think County), which is in England, so I think we should go with that route.
I did miss some fields in my first cataloging attempt - such as 300. It should be as Amber had it with 300 v. and then the 042 field should be pcc which then states we are using the CONSER level cataloging. Now I'm wondering if we need the 040 field as well. Also, on #2 I thought that ISGS was the publisher name since there was that address following.
I'm back, and jumping back into this serials cataloging. Yes, I agree let's go with the CONSER standard as well. I listened to the recording from yesterday's class and there are some answers there! Esp. for #2. If I understood correctly, the correct entries are following, although the capitalization may be wrong:
130 _ _ Newsletter (California state veterinary society)
245 10 Newsletter
710 _ _ California state veterinary society
For #1 I can see that Kent may be an abbreviation for Kentucky so I looked online and there is a town called Tonbridge in Kent (I think County), which is in England, so I think we should go with that route.
I did miss some fields in my first cataloging attempt - such as 300. It should be as Amber had it with 300 v. and then the 042 field should be pcc which then states we are using the CONSER level cataloging. Now I'm wondering if we need the 040 field as well. Also, on #2 I thought that ISGS was the publisher name since there was that address following.
#4
For #4, I found an authority record for this church organization.
First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
So I put
110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ǂv Periodicals.
First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
So I put
110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ǂv Periodicals.
Serials assignment
Good Morning Everyone,
I am going to work on this assignment today. At this point, I have only completed the reading and the easy question about major and minor changes. More to come.... (:
I am going to work on this assignment today. At this point, I have only completed the reading and the easy question about major and minor changes. More to come.... (:
Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Assignment 3
#1
ELvl: blank
srce: c
037 blank
042 pcc
245 00 Cellular telephone sounds : ǂb Quarterly journal devoted to their distribution.
260 __ Tonbridge, Ky. : ǂb John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.
310 __ Quarterly
710 2_ John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.
#2
Title is "Newsletter."
ELvl: blank
srce: c
042 __ pcc
043 __ n-us-ca
130 or 110 0_ Newsletter (California State Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter / ǂc California State Veterinary Society.
246 13 ISGC ...(I am not sure what ISGC stands for. But, it looks like the variant title.)
710 2_ California State Veterinary Society.
#3
I agree with Palm and Amber.
#4
I research the official name of the church.
http://www.firstnorfolk.org/details.php?action=article&id=12
ELvl: blank
srce: c
042 __ pcc
110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Norfolk, Va.)
245 10 Intersections : ‡b love God, love others, live the mission.
250 __ 1st ed.
260 __ Norfolk, VA : ‡b First Baptist Church of Norfolk.
310 __ Weekly.
500 __ Description based on August 2&3, 2003 issue; title from cover.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Norfolk, Va.) ‡v Periodicals.
ELvl: blank
srce: c
037 blank
042 pcc
245 00 Cellular telephone sounds : ǂb Quarterly journal devoted to their distribution.
260 __ Tonbridge, Ky. : ǂb John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.
310 __ Quarterly
710 2_ John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.
#2
Title is "Newsletter."
ELvl: blank
srce: c
042 __ pcc
043 __ n-us-ca
130 or 110 0_ Newsletter (California State Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter / ǂc California State Veterinary Society.
246 13 ISGC ...(I am not sure what ISGC stands for. But, it looks like the variant title.)
710 2_ California State Veterinary Society.
#3
I agree with Palm and Amber.
#4
I research the official name of the church.
http://www.firstnorfolk.org/details.php?action=article&id=12
ELvl: blank
srce: c
042 __ pcc
110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Norfolk, Va.)
245 10 Intersections : ‡b love God, love others, live the mission.
250 __ 1st ed.
260 __ Norfolk, VA : ‡b First Baptist Church of Norfolk.
310 __ Weekly.
500 __ Description based on August 2&3, 2003 issue; title from cover.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Norfolk, Va.) ‡v Periodicals.
CONSER & comparisons
I would vote for CONSER standard as well. For some reason, I thought I was following CONSER standard, but I kept mixing it up with AACR2.
Comparisons with Pamela’s record and Toshu’s notes with my records:
#1
For all records, I don’t think we need to add ǂa in any fields. They’re usually hidden in bib records.
Fixed fields:
Encoding level-I think it needs to be blank for all CONSER records.
Source-Should be “c” for cooperative program?
Regularity-I think we can put “r” here for regularly published periodical.
037-Is this field required?
042-I added “pcc” for all records.
245-I’m not sure whether to put “Quarterly journal devoted to their distribution” in subfield b or in 500 note. What do you think?
260-Sorry I thought
I thought the publisher is “John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office”?
Noted on subfield c. I took out the 2008-
300-removed
310-Not sure if we need subfield b here.
650-added ǂv Periodicals.
710-I thought we only put the added entry here for corporate names appear under statement of responsibility?
#2
Fixed fields:
Encoding level-blank
Source- “c” for cooperative program?
Regularity-“r”
Dates-I’ve seen records that use 19uu, uuuu is ok too.
043-I added
245, 246-We all have different titles here. This one may be difficult to interpret.
260-I’m not sure about the publisher here either. Since both Toshu and Pamle put California State Veterinary Society, I’ll change mine as well.
300-removed.
What do you think of this “ISGS”? Is it more like a title, or publisher? It’s really confusing.
#3
Noted on Pamela’s explanation. I checked through the PowerPoint slides and I agree B,D,I,J are major changes and all others are minor changes.
#4 Manifestation distributed during onsite class.
This one is tough. I’m waiting to see what kind of records we all come up with.
Monday, October 13, 2008
Dr. Robert Response Traditional (AACR) or CONSER
"I answered this in the forum. You can follow AACR2 or CONSER, but state which one you are following."
We must decide which one we will follow.
I think CONSER one is easier.
So, I vote for CONSER!
We must decide which one we will follow.
I think CONSER one is easier.
So, I vote for CONSER!
Assgin6 #1 & #2
#1
I am not sure we should add 2008- on 260 subfield c.
Traditional or CONSER standard practice?
Also, I am not sure about 300 field.
So, I am asking Dr. Ellet about it.
But, if we put 042 pcc, I think it will be CONSER Standard practice.
650 Cellular telephones ‡v Periodicals.
I added subfield v, periodicals.
710 2_ John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.
#2
042 pcc
130 0_ Newsletter (California Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter / ǂc California Veterinary Society.
246 13 ISGS
260 __ Springfield, Calif. : ǂb California State Veterinary Society.
710 2_ California State Veterinary Society.
I am not sure we should add 2008- on 260 subfield c.
Traditional or CONSER standard practice?
Also, I am not sure about 300 field.
So, I am asking Dr. Ellet about it.
But, if we put 042 pcc, I think it will be CONSER Standard practice.
650 Cellular telephones ‡v Periodicals.
I added subfield v, periodicals.
710 2_ John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.
#2
042 pcc
130 0_ Newsletter (California Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter / ǂc California Veterinary Society.
246 13 ISGS
260 __ Springfield, Calif. : ǂb California State Veterinary Society.
710 2_ California State Veterinary Society.
Saturday, October 11, 2008
Serials assignment
Here are the first two cataloged for the assignment. I'm with Amber this can be difficult. I had a hard time with nearly everything - so I really don't feel very confident with these results so far. I was trying to follow the CONSER standard (at least I think I was) but with added info in the fixed fields. Dr. Ellett did state that extra info is never wrong.
Also, for the major/minor change I went over that ppt again and now think there are 4 major changes: B, D, I & J - either due to wording change or adding time period.
My serial assignment
Hi group:
I just send out my first attempt of my serial assignment to everyone. I would like to get started on this assignment since I didn't contribute much last time.
This assignment is a little bit difficult. We all may have different interpretations. I would suggest let's share our works together and discuss together like what we've been doing for previous assignments.
Are we following CONSER or AACR2 standards? I'm not sure what to put in 042 field.
For #3, I found B and J to be major title changes, and the rest are minor changes.
I just send out my first attempt of my serial assignment to everyone. I would like to get started on this assignment since I didn't contribute much last time.
This assignment is a little bit difficult. We all may have different interpretations. I would suggest let's share our works together and discuss together like what we've been doing for previous assignments.
Are we following CONSER or AACR2 standards? I'm not sure what to put in 042 field.
For #3, I found B and J to be major title changes, and the rest are minor changes.
Thursday, October 9, 2008
Out of town too & Serial Assignment
Hi all, I am also going to be out of town, but sooner than Amber. I'm joining my family for a little October birthday celebration - there's 3 of us - from this Sunday through Tuesday. I hope that I will have internet connection while I'm away - the hotel said it did. But we shall see.... I will have to miss Tuesday's class session, but will be able to make it to the special one on Wednesday.
As far as this assignment, I started on the easy part first. Part 3- where the titles are Minor or Major changes. It looks to me that the only Major changes are B & D. Am I missing something? what are your guys thoughts??
Also, how are we approaching this assignment - as before, each work on it and compare results? I'm going to spend some time on the cataloging aspect before I leave on Sunday.
As far as this assignment, I started on the easy part first. Part 3- where the titles are Minor or Major changes. It looks to me that the only Major changes are B & D. Am I missing something? what are your guys thoughts??
Also, how are we approaching this assignment - as before, each work on it and compare results? I'm going to spend some time on the cataloging aspect before I leave on Sunday.
Wednesday, October 8, 2008
Out of Town
I would like to let everyone know that I'll be out of town between Oct. 20-25. I'll try to finish my assignments beforehand. Hopefully I will have Internet connection while on the road. Sorry for the inconvenience!
Tuesday, October 7, 2008
Saturday, October 4, 2008
Our grade
Good Morning Everyone!
Amber, I hope you are well on the road to recovering. Grades for NACO assignment are posted. We received a 96. Overall, I am happy with this grade. I spent a lot of time second guessing myself on this assignment. Thanks to everyone for all your effort.
Amber, I hope you are well on the road to recovering. Grades for NACO assignment are posted. We received a 96. Overall, I am happy with this grade. I spent a lot of time second guessing myself on this assignment. Thanks to everyone for all your effort.
Friday, October 3, 2008
Finished?
Hi! I just got home from work. It looks like you guys did a great job of finalizing this today. So the last file sent from Natalie is the one we're submitting? I just want to make sure before I also submit. It does look good!
Natalie & Amber I hope you can rest up this weekend and get over those colds!
Thanks Toshu too for all your help on this one.
Natalie & Amber I hope you can rest up this weekend and get over those colds!
Thanks Toshu too for all your help on this one.
Watch out ! #11 & #12 tricky questions
I found out the followings:
#11 doesn't need qualifier ()
#12 needs qualifier AACR2 24.4 C5
#12
110 2 Environmental Law Society ( University of California, Davis)
410 2 University of California, Davis. $b Environmental Law Society
AACR2 24.4C5. Institutions
Add the name of an institution instead of the local place name if the institution’s name is commonly associated with the name of the body. Give the name of the institution in the form and language used for it as a heading.
Newman Club (Brooklyn College)
not
Newman Club (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.)
Newman Club (University of Maryland)
not
Newman Club (College Park, Md.)
Center for Radiation Research (National Measurement Laboratory (U.S.))
Institut geologiĭ (Akademi nauk SSSR. Komi filial)
Institut geologiĭ (Akademi nauk SSSR. Karel¢skiĭ filial)
#11 doesn't need qualifier ()
#12 needs qualifier AACR2 24.4 C5
#12
110 2 Environmental Law Society ( University of California, Davis)
410 2 University of California, Davis. $b Environmental Law Society
AACR2 24.4C5. Institutions
Add the name of an institution instead of the local place name if the institution’s name is commonly associated with the name of the body. Give the name of the institution in the form and language used for it as a heading.
Newman Club (Brooklyn College)
not
Newman Club (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.)
Newman Club (University of Maryland)
not
Newman Club (College Park, Md.)
Center for Radiation Research (National Measurement Laboratory (U.S.))
Institut geologiĭ (Akademi nauk SSSR. Komi filial)
Institut geologiĭ (Akademi nauk SSSR. Karel¢skiĭ filial)
Thank you for everyone's hard work.
I received Natalie's A2.
It looks good.
I will submit mine as well.
I will research on #12 more
and let you guys know if I find out something more.
Thank you.
Have a nice weekend.
I hope Natalie and Amber feel better.
It looks good.
I will submit mine as well.
I will research on #12 more
and let you guys know if I find out something more.
Thank you.
Have a nice weekend.
I hope Natalie and Amber feel better.
Sorry
Sorry I haven't been participating much on this assignment. I was finally able to get out of bed yesterday after lying in bed for 2 days. Thank you all for your thorough explanations. Without your help, I really don't know how I can finish the assignment by myself.
From Pamela's post earlier on:
From Pamela's post earlier on:
#6: Pam has as 410 starting as Patrick, Toshu and Amber has Pat - I got mine from the second mention. Wouldn't this need to be spelled out?
#14: All match except Amber didn't but the birth date in - since it was given it should be added.
Got it. I will add the dates.
I thought Natalie's final version seems very good. I will also submit my assignment today.Alabama
I think that you can abbreviate State as in 260 fields subfields $a.
You don't have to spell it out.
For example:
California - Calif.
You don't have to spell it out.
For example:
California - Calif.
I am ready
I agree with Toshu. I am ready to be done with this assignment. (: I have emailed you all what I intend to submit as my final. I have a question though. About spelling out Alabama, can't authority record be wrong?
Lets' finalize it!
Hi,
I hope Amber and Natalie feel better. Please have rest if you can.
It's only 5% of our grades. But, this is a great practice.
You guys are doing great!
I think we should wrap it up and submit our assignment.
In terms of fixed fields, Dr. Bob put OCLC ARN number on #1
So, I put it.
Every cataloger has different judgement in cataloging.
Catalogers discuss it over and over.
And, catalogers try to get second opinions.
We almost agree everything except #12 and fixed fields.
If you are not comfortable with some of answers by our group,
I think you can put your own answer down for this assinment.
My answers for posts and comments from Natalie and Pamela:
#1
I think I have an incorrect one (670)
#3
I will follow your decision.
I followed the following guide line
Smith, John M. q (John Michael) -- no cross-ref required
Smith, J. C. q (Joan Carol) -- cross-ref required
#6
We should spell out "Partick"
#7
Let's not put "M.V.F.S.G."
I was wondering and talked with catalogers
Also, I followed OCLC records , For example, American Medical Assn.
ARN36366
#8
Let's follow Dr. Bob's guideline.
When we finalize a coporate name,
We always add (Firm), Inc.,or Corporation to corporate names.
Some of names can't tell a corporation, personal, or music group
#9
It's interesting! Pamela, you found similar OCLC record.
Let's follow the OCLC record
#11
I agree with Natalie about #11.
#12
Two bodies (University of California and Davis)
So, I thought it was different from #11
#13
Please spell out "Alabama"
I copied from the OCLC record
#14
I agree to add the date
I hope Amber and Natalie feel better. Please have rest if you can.
It's only 5% of our grades. But, this is a great practice.
You guys are doing great!
I think we should wrap it up and submit our assignment.
In terms of fixed fields, Dr. Bob put OCLC ARN number on #1
So, I put it.
Every cataloger has different judgement in cataloging.
Catalogers discuss it over and over.
And, catalogers try to get second opinions.
We almost agree everything except #12 and fixed fields.
If you are not comfortable with some of answers by our group,
I think you can put your own answer down for this assinment.
My answers for posts and comments from Natalie and Pamela:
#1
I think I have an incorrect one (670)
#3
I will follow your decision.
I followed the following guide line
Smith, John M. q (John Michael) -- no cross-ref required
Smith, J. C. q (Joan Carol) -- cross-ref required
#6
We should spell out "Partick"
#7
Let's not put "M.V.F.S.G."
I was wondering and talked with catalogers
Also, I followed OCLC records , For example, American Medical Assn.
ARN36366
#8
Let's follow Dr. Bob's guideline.
When we finalize a coporate name,
We always add (Firm), Inc.,or Corporation to corporate names.
Some of names can't tell a corporation, personal, or music group
#9
It's interesting! Pamela, you found similar OCLC record.
Let's follow the OCLC record
#11
I agree with Natalie about #11.
#12
Two bodies (University of California and Davis)
So, I thought it was different from #11
#13
Please spell out "Alabama"
I copied from the OCLC record
#14
I agree to add the date
Thursday, October 2, 2008
just found this....
1) If the initial occurs in the forename portion of the surname-forename heading, give in the parenthetical addition not only the full form but also the other forenames that appear in the forename portion of the heading. However, do not include a particle or prefix that appears in the forename portion. Place the parenthetical addition directly after the forename portion and before any other addition (e.g., date, title).
100 1# $a Flam, F. A. $q (Floyd A.)
100 1# $a Smith, T. B. $q (T. Basil)
100 1# $a Wright, G. H. von $q (George Henrik), $d 1916-
100 1# $a Beruete y Moret, A. de $q (Aureliano), $d 1876-1922
100 1# $a Jaina, Pra. $q (Prākaśa)
("Pra." is the systematically romanized form of a single nonroman initial)
100 1# $a Smith, Arthur D. $q (Arthur Dwight), $d 1907-
100 1# $a Bvindi, Francis A. A. L. $q. (Francis A. A. Lovemore), $d 1955-
100 1# $a Flam, F. A. $q (Floyd A.)
100 1# $a Smith, T. B. $q (T. Basil)
100 1# $a Wright, G. H. von $q (George Henrik), $d 1916-
100 1# $a Beruete y Moret, A. de $q (Aureliano), $d 1876-1922
100 1# $a Jaina, Pra. $q (Prākaśa)
("Pra." is the systematically romanized form of a single nonroman initial)
100 1# $a Smith, Arthur D. $q (Arthur Dwight), $d 1907-
100 1# $a Bvindi, Francis A. A. L. $q. (Francis A. A. Lovemore), $d 1955-
#3 - 4 too? and #9
Thanks Natalie for pulling this all together - your interpretations sound good. So does that mean we should put both names under subfield q for #4 100 entry?
I can't find much on the (program) part of #9. Maybe ?? it was discussed in the sept 30 class, but the recording hasn't yet been posted. The class was mostly Q&A the first part about this exercise then it moved on...
On bb there was a question about applying the geographic portion, which doesn't apply. It does show the form found on OCLC:
110 2_ Cleveland Health Quality Choice (Program)
670 Its Summary report, c1994: ‡b t.p. (Cleveland Health Quality Choice) p. 2 of cover (Cleveland Health Quality Choice Program)
looks very close to our #9.
I can't find much on the (program) part of #9. Maybe ?? it was discussed in the sept 30 class, but the recording hasn't yet been posted. The class was mostly Q&A the first part about this exercise then it moved on...
On bb there was a question about applying the geographic portion, which doesn't apply. It does show the form found on OCLC:
110 2_ Cleveland Health Quality Choice (Program)
670 Its Summary report, c1994: ‡b t.p. (Cleveland Health Quality Choice) p. 2 of cover (Cleveland Health Quality Choice Program)
looks very close to our #9.
#3
22.18 - Fuller forms
Option
Exercise the option of adding the fuller form even when not required to distinguish between otherwise identical names, provided the spelled-out form can be readily ascertained at the time of establishing the heading.
Note that in applying the option, the following are not added: unused forenames to headings that contain forenames; initials of names that are not part of the heading, unused parts of surnames to headings that contain surnames.
Interpretation
Do not add to the heading the fuller form of a familiar name or nickname chosen for the heading. However, if the form chosen for the heading consists of a standard abbreviation for which there is no ambiguity of meaning (such as "Wm." for "William"), give in the parenthetical addition the full name.
Svatek, Kathy, 1948-
not
Svatek, Kathy (Katherine), 1948-
but
Brownridge, Wm. (William)
Do not apply the option retrospectively to names established prior to the implementation of AACR 2R unless one or other of the following conditions apply:
a) the addition is required to distinguish between names that are otherwise identical; or
b) the heading requires a change in some other element in order to bring it into line with AACR 2R and the fuller form of a name used in the revised heading can be readily ascertained at the time of revision.
AACR 1:
Dennison, John D., 1929-
AACR 2R:
Dennison, John D., 1929-
Full name:
John David Dennison
but
AACR 1:
Jones, Rhys Price
AACR 2R:
Jones, R. (Rhys Price)
Interpetation
If the initials occur both in the entry element of the name (surnames, etc.) and in the inverted part of the name (forenames, etc.) add the full form of the entire name in direct order at the end of the name.
Letelier S., Mario F. (Mario Francisco
Letelier Sotomayor)
but
T., Jacques (Turgeon)
So, for 3#:
040 MARC _b eng _c MARC ¶
100 1# Melton, Joseph C. ¶
400 1# Melton, Joseph Charles ¶
670 Dynamics of electrodes in chromic acids electrolytes, 2008: _b t.p. (Joseph C. Melton) ¶
670 Univ. of California, Fullerton list of degree recipients, May 2008: $b (Melton, Joseph Charles) ¶
Does everyone agree with my interpretation?
Option
Exercise the option of adding the fuller form even when not required to distinguish between otherwise identical names, provided the spelled-out form can be readily ascertained at the time of establishing the heading.
Note that in applying the option, the following are not added: unused forenames to headings that contain forenames; initials of names that are not part of the heading, unused parts of surnames to headings that contain surnames.
Interpretation
Do not add to the heading the fuller form of a familiar name or nickname chosen for the heading. However, if the form chosen for the heading consists of a standard abbreviation for which there is no ambiguity of meaning (such as "Wm." for "William"), give in the parenthetical addition the full name.
Svatek, Kathy, 1948-
not
Svatek, Kathy (Katherine), 1948-
but
Brownridge, Wm. (William)
Do not apply the option retrospectively to names established prior to the implementation of AACR 2R unless one or other of the following conditions apply:
a) the addition is required to distinguish between names that are otherwise identical; or
b) the heading requires a change in some other element in order to bring it into line with AACR 2R and the fuller form of a name used in the revised heading can be readily ascertained at the time of revision.
AACR 1:
Dennison, John D., 1929-
AACR 2R:
Dennison, John D., 1929-
Full name:
John David Dennison
but
AACR 1:
Jones, Rhys Price
AACR 2R:
Jones, R. (Rhys Price)
Interpetation
If the initials occur both in the entry element of the name (surnames, etc.) and in the inverted part of the name (forenames, etc.) add the full form of the entire name in direct order at the end of the name.
Letelier S., Mario F. (Mario Francisco
Letelier Sotomayor)
but
T., Jacques (Turgeon)
So, for 3#:
040 MARC _b eng _c MARC ¶
100 1# Melton, Joseph C. ¶
400 1# Melton, Joseph Charles ¶
670 Dynamics of electrodes in chromic acids electrolytes, 2008: _b t.p. (Joseph C. Melton) ¶
670 Univ. of California, Fullerton list of degree recipients, May 2008: $b (Melton, Joseph Charles) ¶
Does everyone agree with my interpretation?
#11 & 12
Does this help clarify?
from the corp ppt #3:
INDIRECT ENTRY - rule: AACR2 24.13
identifies 6 TYPES of NON-GOVERNMENT corporate body names that are entered subordinately
AACR2 24.3: Type 5 - A name of a university faculty, school, college, institute, laboratory, etc., that simply indicates a particular field of study.
example:
110 2_ Manhattan College. $b Holocaust Resource Center
from the corp ppt #3:
INDIRECT ENTRY - rule: AACR2 24.13
identifies 6 TYPES of NON-GOVERNMENT corporate body names that are entered subordinately
AACR2 24.3: Type 5 - A name of a university faculty, school, college, institute, laboratory, etc., that simply indicates a particular field of study.
example:
110 2_ Manhattan College. $b Holocaust Resource Center
In response to Pam
Sorry, I didn't get Natalie's email - so working off the three versions - Natalie you and Amber aren't feeling well, I hope you both get well soon!! I always find school work more challenging when sick.
Thanks!
Comparisons: Toshu - I hope I was looking at your right version. I went from the last email.
First Fixed Fields: We are nearly the same except two fields: Auth Status & Ref Status. We may be not going 100% according to true cataloging as some of these would need to be reviewed....I think Dr. Ellett mentioned this in Sept. 23's class.
Don't we need to fill in the Auth Status field? If so then they should all be A for "fully established heading". I thought this was addressed somewhere, other than the ppt slides, but I cannot find it, maybe also in the class.
Ref Status: If there is a 4xx then this needs to be A - not B. In the class BB Dr. Ellett had addressed this.
I posted a reply to this effect quoting Dr. E from BB.
Other than the Fixed fields here’s our differences.
#3: Toshu - the tp does have Joseph C Melton. The question then is do we add the subfield Q and delete the extra 400? Or does the 400 stay because that came from a different source? I think the latter would be accurate, but I'm not sure.
I share this question. Does anyone have a definitive answer? I will look it up...
#4: I am also confused about the subfield Q - do we need to spell out both names, or just the one initialed? According to Toshu's post at 12:42 that we would need to have the cross-ref. Also, does the ordering of the 400's matter? We have the same but in different order. I just went in order by how it appeared in the 670.
We need to clarify. I was confused about this as well.
#6: Pam has as 410 starting as Patrick, Toshu and Amber has Pat - I got mine from the second mention. Wouldn't this need to be spelled out?
Good catch, Pam. I had this wrong too.
#8: I took out the Inc. because Dr. Ellett specifically mentioned this that it would not be needed since the series of names implies coporateness. I suggest we do remove the inc. Also Dr. Ellett said that you must have that comma before the “and” spelled out in 410. These two things he mentioned in Tue's Sept 30 class.
This makes sense to me. I will trust your lead.
#9: I think the (Program) was also because of what was mentioned in the Sept 30 class. I also saw something about this one in the ppt slides, but I don't remember where. I also compared to some records on OCLC and they don't have the added 410. I'll have to search again for this one.
#11: Wouldn't the 110 have the law society first? Again, I saw slides on this - discussing the government and jurisdiction where it said:
1xx $a Government agency (Jurisdiction)
4xx $a Jurisdiction. $b Government agency
If we need to I'll find the reference.
I thought the parent organization was first?
#12: I was lost on this one. Maybe we should just follow the same as #11
I need to work on this one as well.
As far as straight copying from OCLC with ARN number I would want to be cautious with this. Dr. Ellett stated he made these up, although evidently not all of them, because he did not want us to copy.
I also understood this to be the case....
Thanks!
Comparisons: Toshu - I hope I was looking at your right version. I went from the last email.
First Fixed Fields: We are nearly the same except two fields: Auth Status & Ref Status. We may be not going 100% according to true cataloging as some of these would need to be reviewed....I think Dr. Ellett mentioned this in Sept. 23's class.
Don't we need to fill in the Auth Status field? If so then they should all be A for "fully established heading". I thought this was addressed somewhere, other than the ppt slides, but I cannot find it, maybe also in the class.
Ref Status: If there is a 4xx then this needs to be A - not B. In the class BB Dr. Ellett had addressed this.
I posted a reply to this effect quoting Dr. E from BB.
Other than the Fixed fields here’s our differences.
#3: Toshu - the tp does have Joseph C Melton. The question then is do we add the subfield Q and delete the extra 400? Or does the 400 stay because that came from a different source? I think the latter would be accurate, but I'm not sure.
I share this question. Does anyone have a definitive answer? I will look it up...
#4: I am also confused about the subfield Q - do we need to spell out both names, or just the one initialed? According to Toshu's post at 12:42 that we would need to have the cross-ref. Also, does the ordering of the 400's matter? We have the same but in different order. I just went in order by how it appeared in the 670.
We need to clarify. I was confused about this as well.
#6: Pam has as 410 starting as Patrick, Toshu and Amber has Pat - I got mine from the second mention. Wouldn't this need to be spelled out?
Good catch, Pam. I had this wrong too.
#8: I took out the Inc. because Dr. Ellett specifically mentioned this that it would not be needed since the series of names implies coporateness. I suggest we do remove the inc. Also Dr. Ellett said that you must have that comma before the “and” spelled out in 410. These two things he mentioned in Tue's Sept 30 class.
This makes sense to me. I will trust your lead.
#9: I think the (Program) was also because of what was mentioned in the Sept 30 class. I also saw something about this one in the ppt slides, but I don't remember where. I also compared to some records on OCLC and they don't have the added 410. I'll have to search again for this one.
#11: Wouldn't the 110 have the law society first? Again, I saw slides on this - discussing the government and jurisdiction where it said:
1xx $a Government agency (Jurisdiction)
4xx $a Jurisdiction. $b Government agency
If we need to I'll find the reference.
I thought the parent organization was first?
#12: I was lost on this one. Maybe we should just follow the same as #11
I need to work on this one as well.
As far as straight copying from OCLC with ARN number I would want to be cautious with this. Dr. Ellett stated he made these up, although evidently not all of them, because he did not want us to copy.
I also understood this to be the case....
my eyes are starting to cross....
I am having a hard time keeping up with every one's input. I feel like we are getting a little scattered. I think one of us should try to put everything together and email it out for the rest look over. What do you think? I would be glad to do this.
more on comparison
Sorry, I didn't get Natalie's email - so working off the three versions - Natalie you and Amber aren't feeling well, I hope you both get well soon!! I always find school work more challenging when sick.
Comparisons: Toshu - I hope I was looking at your right version. I went from the last email.
First Fixed Fields: We are nearly the same except two fields: Auth Status & Ref Status. We may be not going 100% according to true cataloging as some of these would need to be reviewed....I think Dr. Ellett mentioned this in Sept. 23's class.
Don't we need to fill in the Auth Status field? If so then they should all be A for "fully established heading". I thought this was addressed somewhere, other than the ppt slides, but I cannot find it, maybe also in the class.
Ref Status: If there is a 4xx then this needs to be A - not B. In the class BB Dr. Ellett had addressed this.
Other than the Fixed fields here’s our differences.
#1: Toshu - you seem to have a different 670. Maybe you took that from the WIKI which Dr. Ellett said he mistakenly had a different 670.
#3: Toshu - the tp does have Joseph C Melton. The question then is do we add the subfield Q and delete the extra 400? Or does the 400 stay because that came from a different source? I think the latter would be accurate, but I'm not sure.
#4: I am also confused about the subfield Q - do we need to spell out both names, or just the one initialed? According to Toshu's post at 12:42 that we would need to have the cross-ref. Also, does the ordering of the 400's matter? We have the same but in different order. I just went in order by how it appeared in the 670.
#6: Pam has as 410 starting as Patrick, Toshu and Amber has Pat - I got mine from the second mention. Wouldn't this need to be spelled out?
#8: I took out the Inc. because Dr. Ellett specifically mentioned this that it would not be needed since the series of names implies coporateness. I suggest we do remove the inc. Also Dr. Ellett said that you must have that comma before the “and” spelled out in 410. These two things he mentioned in Tue's Sept 30 class.
#9: I think the (Program) was also because of what was mentioned in the Sept 30 class. I also saw something about this one in the ppt slides, but I don't remember where. I also compared to some records on OCLC and they don't have the added 410. I'll have to search again for this one.
#11: Wouldn't the 110 have the law society first? Again, I saw slides on this - discussing the government and jurisdiction where it said:
1xx $a Government agency (Jurisdiction)
4xx $a Jurisdiction. $b Government agency
If we need to I'll find the reference.
#12: I was lost on this one. Maybe we should just follow the same as #11
#13: all same, except Toshu’s has Alabama spelled out in the 110 - it should be abbreviated.
#14: All match except Amber didn't but the birth date in - since it was given it should be added.
As far as straight copying from OCLC with ARN number I would want to be cautious with this. Dr. Ellett stated he made these up, although evidently not all of them, because he did not want us to copy.
Okay, where do we go from here? We’re getting close despite this long post! And we need to sew it up and turn in tomorrow. I did repeat some of Toshu’s post. Sorry! How do we reconcile?
Toshu's #7
Hi Toshu,
I am looking at your update on #7. You added another 4XX: Ø 5 410 2_ M.V.F.S.G. Why did you decide to add this. Wouldn't this normalize to MVFSG?
I am looking at your update on #7. You added another 4XX: Ø 5 410 2_ M.V.F.S.G. Why did you decide to add this. Wouldn't this normalize to MVFSG?
Comparing answers
Beside fixed fields,
We had the same answers except the followings:
3) Toshu (100 field only) "I thought title should be from T.P."
4) Amber (different spelling "Lynn" or "Lynne" from others)
9) Pamela ( add "(program)" and no 410)
11) Toshu (110 and 410 reversed, Amber and Pamela has the same)
"Compared to #12, other records in OCLC was different."
12) all different answers, (Everybody has the same answer, but....)
13) Amber (no birth year)
Let's rectify our answers (fixed fields, 1XX, 4XX & 5XX)
We had the same answers except the followings:
3) Toshu (100 field only) "I thought title should be from T.P."
4) Amber (different spelling "Lynn" or "Lynne" from others)
9) Pamela ( add "(program)" and no 410)
11) Toshu (110 and 410 reversed, Amber and Pamela has the same)
"Compared to #12, other records in OCLC was different."
12) all different answers, (Everybody has the same answer, but....)
13) Amber (no birth year)
Let's rectify our answers (fixed fields, 1XX, 4XX & 5XX)
#12 & fixed fields
Comparing #12, our record #12 has only one 670.
I assume this is a different record from OCLC.
In terms of fixed fields:
I think #10, #13 & #14 are the same records in OCLC.
So, I copied everything from OCLC records, including
ARN# and Entered: date on the records as well.
The rest of them:
Established heading on a bibliographic records has not been used before.
Also, references have not been evaluated
So, I input the followings for fixed files:
Upd Status: a
Ref status: b
Auth status _
I assume this is a different record from OCLC.
In terms of fixed fields:
I think #10, #13 & #14 are the same records in OCLC.
So, I copied everything from OCLC records, including
ARN# and Entered: date on the records as well.
The rest of them:
Established heading on a bibliographic records has not been used before.
Also, references have not been evaluated
So, I input the followings for fixed files:
Upd Status: a
Ref status: b
Auth status _
1XX should be from T.P.
HI,
I found the following rules for 1XX:
100/400
A cross-reference is needed if name differs to the left of the comma or in the 1st element to the right of the comma.
For example,
Smith, John M. q (John Michael) -- no cross-ref required (no 4XXor 5XX)
Smith, J. C. q (Joan Carol) -- cross-ref required (yes 4XX or 5XX)
LCRI: 22.3A Variant Forms Within One Item:
If the name of an author appears in two or more forms in one work, apply the following:
1. If the name appears in two or more sources, once in the chief source and one or more times in other sources, choose the form appearing in the chief source.
title page: T.B. Smith
verso of t.p.: T. Basil Smith III
heading: Smith, T. B. (T. Basil)
2. If the name does not appear in the chief source but does appear once in another prominent source (cf. 0.8) and one or more times in other sources, choose the form appearing in the prominent source.
verso of t.p.: R.J. Gottschall
page 239: Robert J. Gottschall
heading: Gottschall, R. J. (Robert J.)
3. In all situations not covered by 1) or 2) above, choose the fullest form of name.
verso of t.p.: Victoria Galofre Neuto
page 1 of cover: Victoria Galofre
heading: Galofre Neuto, Victoria
I found the following rules for 1XX:
100/400
A cross-reference is needed if name differs to the left of the comma or in the 1st element to the right of the comma.
For example,
Smith, John M. q (John Michael) -- no cross-ref required (no 4XXor 5XX)
Smith, J. C. q (Joan Carol) -- cross-ref required (yes 4XX or 5XX)
LCRI: 22.3A Variant Forms Within One Item:
If the name of an author appears in two or more forms in one work, apply the following:
1. If the name appears in two or more sources, once in the chief source and one or more times in other sources, choose the form appearing in the chief source.
title page: T.B. Smith
verso of t.p.: T. Basil Smith III
heading: Smith, T. B. (T. Basil)
2. If the name does not appear in the chief source but does appear once in another prominent source (cf. 0.8) and one or more times in other sources, choose the form appearing in the prominent source.
verso of t.p.: R.J. Gottschall
page 239: Robert J. Gottschall
heading: Gottschall, R. J. (Robert J.)
3. In all situations not covered by 1) or 2) above, choose the fullest form of name.
verso of t.p.: Victoria Galofre Neuto
page 1 of cover: Victoria Galofre
heading: Galofre Neuto, Victoria
Finally emailed my answers to everyone
Hi Everyone,
I am finally finished. I apologize for letting the time get away from me. I have also been sick ): The heat isn't helping much either. I am confused about #5. This is what I have: 2 100 1# Parkerson, P. C. ‡ q (Philip Castledine) ‡ d 1947- ¶
3 400 1# Parkerson, Philip Castledine ‡ d 1947- ¶
I used the TP as 100 entry? Grr
I am finally finished. I apologize for letting the time get away from me. I have also been sick ): The heat isn't helping much either. I am confused about #5. This is what I have: 2 100 1# Parkerson, P. C. ‡ q (Philip Castledine) ‡ d 1947- ¶
3 400 1# Parkerson, Philip Castledine ‡ d 1947- ¶
I used the TP as 100 entry? Grr
Wednesday, October 1, 2008
My assignment 2
Hi:
Sorry I've been sick all day and wasn't able to check my email until now.
I have send out my assignment 2 for everyone to review. My answers are pretty much the same as everyone else. I noticed we do have some differences in a couple questions.
#3 - I agree with Pamela. I thought we use the chief source as the main entry.
#4 - Is it ‡q (Daryl Lynn) or ‡q (Daryl)? I'm not quite sure about this one. And I think we need to add the birth year for all entries.
#5 - I just followed the form on the t.p. and my answer is: Parkerson, P.C. $q (Philip Castledine), $d 1947-
#8 - Yes I would add another 410 to add the "and."
#9-I'm not really sure about this one. I just use the format on the t.p. then add another 410 entry to add the Program.
#11-I just followed the same format as #12 and put Environmental Law Society (University of Vermont) on 110 and put University of Vermont on front in 410.
#14-I'm not sure if we need to add the birth year since the info didn't appear on t.p.
Yes. I also found $10-14 on OCLC. It is weird that we have those ready-made authority records in this practice assignment.
Thank you everyone for sharing your answers. Without your help, I probably cannot finish this assignment alone.
Sorry I've been sick all day and wasn't able to check my email until now.
I have send out my assignment 2 for everyone to review. My answers are pretty much the same as everyone else. I noticed we do have some differences in a couple questions.
#3 - I agree with Pamela. I thought we use the chief source as the main entry.
#4 - Is it ‡q (Daryl Lynn) or ‡q (Daryl)? I'm not quite sure about this one. And I think we need to add the birth year for all entries.
#5 - I just followed the form on the t.p. and my answer is: Parkerson, P.C. $q (Philip Castledine), $d 1947-
#8 - Yes I would add another 410 to add the "and."
#9-I'm not really sure about this one. I just use the format on the t.p. then add another 410 entry to add the Program.
#11-I just followed the same format as #12 and put Environmental Law Society (University of Vermont) on 110 and put University of Vermont on front in 410.
#14-I'm not sure if we need to add the birth year since the info didn't appear on t.p.
Yes. I also found $10-14 on OCLC. It is weird that we have those ready-made authority records in this practice assignment.
Thank you everyone for sharing your answers. Without your help, I probably cannot finish this assignment alone.
Assignment 2 revised
Hi
I e-mailed revised version again. (TakamaruA2b.doc)
Fix fields:
Ref status:
a References have been evaluated and are consistent with headings
b References have not been evaluated (found, but never used)
n Not applicable (does not contain 4xx/5xx references)
Auth status:
a Fully established heading that has been used on a bibliographic record
Name:
a Differentiated personal name
b Undifferentiated personal name
n Not applicable (not a personal name heading) = 110/111
Source:
c Cooperative cataloging (i.e., NACO)
I e-mailed revised version again. (TakamaruA2b.doc)
Fix fields:
Ref status:
a References have been evaluated and are consistent with headings
b References have not been evaluated (found, but never used)
n Not applicable (does not contain 4xx/5xx references)
Auth status:
a Fully established heading that has been used on a bibliographic record
Name:
a Differentiated personal name
b Undifferentiated personal name
n Not applicable (not a personal name heading) = 110/111
Source:
c Cooperative cataloging (i.e., NACO)
PS
sorry, forogt one last item..... #4 - I think we do include the 4xx's becuase of the different spelling. Somehow I hadn't thought about that this morning.
NACO assignment Emailed
Okay, I am feeling better about my answers now. Yes, some of these are in OCLC which is odd since Dr. Ellett said he made these up so we couldn't find them and just copy the answers....
I'm going to email my document over now. I did find my answer to the fixed field NAME - they should be A so I've corrected those. I also found some of my fixed field REF STATUS wasn't corrected coded for when using 4xx fields. So I fixed that.
#11 and #12 I feel the most shaky on. Any thoughts?
I'm going to email my document over now. I did find my answer to the fixed field NAME - they should be A so I've corrected those. I also found some of my fixed field REF STATUS wasn't corrected coded for when using 4xx fields. So I fixed that.
#11 and #12 I feel the most shaky on. Any thoughts?
Personal Names
Hi all, I have today off to concentrate on homework. So far I've focused on the personal names.
Yes, the main entry needs to come first from an authorized source, such as the Title page. Also not always is the fullest form of the name the one that is most commonly used. I know #4 has been discussed in the WIKI but I'm still not sure about that one, if the other 400's are necessary. In the ppt for personal names, slide 159 + mentioned adding other variant forms only if in same source and if adding information. So I don't know if both of the 400's are necessary for #4.
My other question is about fixed fields. Does anyone know about the Name field? A for Differentiated and B for Undifferentiated. Aren't they all A? Or is it only when there's a date as well? I've gone with the later, but I don't think it's right.
Also, I had to clean up the records from the file Dr. Bob gave us. The formatting looked messy and I had a hard time seeing what was there, especially for the fixed fields.
Okay, working on the corp names now....
After the elluminate session last night
Hi
How was the elluminate session last night? We will select a library for assign. 6.
I will be able to interview my supervior ( a head of cataloging department).
I noticed the 1xx has to come from T.P. So, I will revise my work.
Are we dividing our work?
#1-#4?
#5-#7?
#8-#10?
#11-#14?
But, I found #10 through #14 from OCLC authority records (corporate names & #14 personal name)
So, we might be able to concentrate on #2-#9 (except #4).
Please let me know
How was the elluminate session last night? We will select a library for assign. 6.
I will be able to interview my supervior ( a head of cataloging department).
I noticed the 1xx has to come from T.P. So, I will revise my work.
Are we dividing our work?
#1-#4?
#5-#7?
#8-#10?
#11-#14?
But, I found #10 through #14 from OCLC authority records (corporate names & #14 personal name)
So, we might be able to concentrate on #2-#9 (except #4).
Please let me know
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