Final Revision

Hello Group!

It was very nice to meet you all in person again, now at the end of our semester. I really hope that we can meet again at some point in the future, maybe even as librarians instead of just students! :-)

Just wanted to let you all know that I will submit my final revision tomorrow, Tuesday. I did make it home okay, long drive, but worth it in the end.
Okay, see email my final draft tomorrow.
--Pamela

Elluminate session

Hi

Thank you for your wonderful work on the paper & power points.

I have been sick since Thanksgiving Day. I had stomach flue.

I am getting better.

I will login as a moderator and upload our slides.

The login information was posted on our blogs.

I think the latest slides are one that Pamela sent on Dec. 3rd.

Slide #11 & 12 are still missing.

Please send me a newer version if there is one.

I apologize I might miss it.

Shall we present in the following order?

Please correct me if the following order is not correct.

Introduction ?

Slide #3-#7 Toshu
Slide #8-#10 Pamela
Slide #11&#12 Natalie
Slide #13-#15 Amber

Our presentation will start at 10:00 am- 10:45 pm on Dec. 7.

So, I think we have 1-2 minutes for each slide.

I am looking forward to practicing with you guys.

See you online at 7:30 pm tonight.

Thanks.

Toshu

A6 paper combined

I took the liberty of adding a title page and the abstract into our combined paper, as well as some APA formats and emailed to everyone. I also changed my sections to #9 and #10. Natalie can insert her paragraphs in between Pamela's and my sections.

We don't need to write an introduction or conclusion for this paper right?

I think we might need to edit the paper again once we have everything together. I'll be working on my slides today and send to everyone.

Abstract & my paper

I've combined Toshu, Pamela and my portion of the abstract and send that out to everyone. So far we have 363 words already. If you all think it's enough, I can post the abstract on Bb tonight.

I'm also working on my portions of the paper and I will send it out to everyone either tonight or tomorrow. Then I'll work on the slides like Toshu does.

A6 abstract due today, 12/1

Hi Natalie,

Thank you for putting our abstract together.

Please let me know how you are doing with the abstract.

Also, I sent everybody my slides and paper.

Thanks.

Toshu

Abstract

Hello,
I hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday! We’re into our last week or so now, home stretch. I have worked on our paper, sections 4-6, but had to ask Mr. Manual Urrizola a few follow-up questions in order to finish up these sections. I will finish up after I get his response. As far as the abstract you could add (edit) in the following if it seems appropriate:

Currently the library is not using any metadata standards, although with an upcoming photo digitizing project there will be metadata used, although it is not yet determined which type. There is also interest with the map librarian to include metadata with their digitized maps.

We don’t have it hit every point or every section in the abstract, and since it is short we may not have enough space to do so. We just need to highlight the important areas. I’ll check back in after work tomorrow. Thanks.

Elluminate Session

Hi,
Here is the information regarding our Elluminate session on Dec. 5th.
I will login as a moderator.
Thank you.
Toshu
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A6 paper

Pamela,

I am working on the paper, the answers from my questions.

I will be finising soon and send it to you.

In terms of the abstracts,

We can just put our abstracts together from each question and submit it, because it's due on Dec. 1st, Monday.

Thanks

Toshu

clarification

Hi, just wanted to clarify that I was planning on working on the paper, not necessarily the abstract. If need be I will, so let me know. My thought was that we need the paper done in order to do the abstract and the presentation, but then it isn't due until afterwards. Seems a little odd to me, but I guess if we wanted to add anything or fine tune it we do have that extra time.
Have a good Thanksgiving!

Friday Dec 5

Friday Dec. 5 7:30pm sounds good to me. I'll see everyone then!

Hope you all have a happy Thanksgiving!

Paper

Ok, then I will write the sections I worked on for the interview.

Elluminate Session for A6 presentation

Hi,

I will arrange our Elluminate session on Dec. 5th at 7:30 pm (PST) for two hours.
Please let me know if this schedule is not good for you. I will ask Dr. Bob how long the presentation will have to be.

[Unfortunately, I will have an online final presentation for the other class on Dec. 4th.
Also, I will have online practice sessions for the final presentation on Dec. 1st and 3rd at 7:30 pm. So, I will be available on Dec. 2nd if you want to practice our presentation more. Please let me know.]

Pamela, I hope you will have a nice drive to California. And, thank you for your kind words.

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

A6 & Elluminate

Hi all,

I plan on putting together the responses to the 3 questions I worked on over the next few days.

Will 7:30 Friday work for everyone for the Elluminate session? Unfortunately, I will have a long day driving on Saturday getting down to Southern California. It will take me at least 9 hours, provided the weather is good and no rain or snow.



also.... Toshu & Amber, Good Job on your presentation. Very nice!

A6 Elluminate session

Thank you Toshu for your abstract. I will also work on my abstract and send to everyone.

I think it's a great idea to have an Elluminate session before our presentation. Dec. 5 (Friday) after 7pm and Dec. 6 (Sat) after 5pm is fine with me.

We only have 2 weeks left to finish with our report and presentation. Should we divide up our work as according to our question section? For example, I'll be writing about #9 Staff Education & #10 Other issues? What other sections should we include in the paper?

This week is Thanksgiving week. Hope you all have a nice Thanksgiving break!

Follow up with abstract and Elluminate session

Toshu, thank you for starting the abstract. I would be glad to finish it up. When I am done, I will send everyone a copy for input. Is that ok with everyone? As far as the Elluminate session is concerned, I think this is an excellent idea. My schedule is totally open, so I will leave the time and day up to those with more scheduling restrictions. Just let me know what is decided.

A6 Evaluation Abstract due on 12/1 & Eluminate session

Hi

Thank you for your great work on the interview.

I suggest we will have an Elluminate session to practice our presentation on Dec. 5th or 6th.

Please let me know.

Here is my abstract from my questions:

The University of California, Riverside, is one of 10 universities within the prestigious University of California system, and the only UC located in Inland Southern California.
Widely recognized as one of the most ethnically diverse research universities in the nation, UCR's current enrollment is 17,187 students.
The UCR libraries consist of 4 libraries: The Tomás Rivera Library (the main library), Science Library, Media Library, and Music Library. The main library was founded in 1964.
Mr. Manuel Urrizola, head of cataloging metadata services dept., supervises librarians and Library Assistant Vs. There are 13 supporting staff and 3 librarians. The department has two units: cataloging policy unit and cataloging & graphic control unit. Each librarian and Library Assistant III-V has cataloging specialties. The cataloging department will merge with the acquisition department. Training in the cataloging department will help productivity. Each cataloger keeps statistics to trace their productivity and use online cataloging tools including Wikipedia. The department has a cataloging website that the department stores all of its online tools, links, annual reports, and departmental cataloging guideline.

Thank you!

Natalie,

Thank you for your encouraging and kind words!

I appreciate your cheerleading!

Congatulations!

Toshu and Amber,

Your presentation was great, and you handled his unnerving questions beautifully. Congrats on a job well done!

good luck!

Toshu and Amber,

Good luck with your presentation today! I plan on attending, so you will have a cheerleader in the audience. (:

Best,
Natalie

Thank you for the slides and a moderator

I will login as a moderator and upload the ppt from Manuel's computer in his office.
Also, Mary Ellen will join us as a moderator as well in case of technical difficulty.
I am verifying with Dr. Bob whether we need to submit our slides before Dec. 7th.
Natalie, thank you for great slides.
See you guys online tomorrow.
Manuel is looking forward to meeting you online.
We will try to finish in one hour.

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A6 ppt & interview

Hi

Natalie, I appreciate your help.

I e-mailed our questions doc.

Please send us the ppt. Thank you!

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I think we will ask Manuel questions as we were assigned.

Introduction by Toshu
Introduce each other
Questions 1 -3 by Toshu
Questions 4-6 by Pamela
Questions 7, 8 by Natalie
Questions 9, 10 by Pamela or Natalie?

Please let me know if you have any suggestion.


Thank you.

ppt

Hi Toshu,


I would be happy to work on the ppt. Let me know...

A6

Thank you, guys.

I will put all together and make a power point presentation.

I will sent it to you before the interview.

I think Natalie and Pamela will join the interview session.

Please let me know.

my q's

Database Maintenance, Holdings, and Physical Processing

Is database maintenance performed in house or outsourced to a vendor?

What level of maintenance do they perform?

How did you decide to perform maintenance in house? Or to outsource the responsibility? What factors were considered?

If performed in house, which position (or department) performs this duty?

If outsourced, can you explain the communication process with the vendor when changes maintenance is necessary?

If performed in house, how does staff report records that need to be corrected?

If performed in house, is training available?


Relationship with Acquisitions Department

Are cataloging and acquisitions responsibilities performed in the same department, or are they separate?

What is the benefit of maintaining a combined (or separate) department for these jobs?

What are some of the strategies staff working under these two job descriptions employ to promote collaborative relationships? Are there any blogs or wikis used for interdepartmental communication?

If so, are there notable improvements in the communication process?

If no web 2.0 tools are employed for this purpose, would you consider it? Why or why not?

My interview questions

Here are the questions I come up with:

9. Staff Education

-Does your department provide any training or continuing education on the following areas:

• RDA
• FRBR
• MARC holdings format
• Social networking
• Implementation of a new integrated library system and its various components,
• mentioned in the case study of one library
• Training in institutional repository work
• Foreign language cataloging, particularly in non-roman scripts
• Cataloging of non-books and e-resources
• Familiarity with XML (Extensible Markup Language), database tools and design, and
• Web-oriented service architecture

10. Other issues facing library cataloging staff

-With the implementation of RDA rules, what kind of changes will affect your cataloging department? Are your staffs comfortable about these upcoming changes?

-Do your staffs use as many new online cataloging enhancements as possible, such as federated searching, ,e-serial management products, and creating next generation catalogs for the learning needs of present and future academic students?

-Does your department get cataloging staffs involved with digital projects?

-Does your library have digital collections?

-How does your library prepare your staffs for the changes in the Library of Congress cataloging standards?

-Many libraries are trying to cut costs in technical services by doing more with less, such as reduce staff over time, or “dumbing down” cataloging process to make it go faster. Does your department face the same kind of budget issues?

-Does your library educate the patrons and librarians about the benefits of controlled subject and classification access?

Questions

Well, here are my questions. I hope these will cover our topics well. I had a harder time with this than I expected. Any modification or suggestions are welcome!

4. Transition to Metadata Standards:
Has the library implemented the use of any metadata standards? If so, which standards and in what areas? If not, are there any plans on implementing any metadata standards?
5. Cataloging of Web Sites and Digital, Special Collections:
What does UC Libraries catalog in respect to Web sites, digital resources, and any Special Collections, and who does this cataloging? Do certain types of resources get full cataloging or other types minimal core cataloging?
6. Library Catalog/Metadata Training and Presentation:
Does the cataloging staff conduct any formal or informal training or presentations on the library catalog, cataloging, or metadata standards? If yes who is the training provided for? Library users, library staff, or others? Also, does anyone in the cataloging staff regularly work at the reference or information desk?

Also, I'm sure Toshu knows of this web site, but for the rest of us: UC Riverside Libraries Cataloging Dept: http://library.ucr.edu/?view=departments/cataloging
The page on Cataloging policies and procedures may come in handy when writing our report.

Nov-18 is ok with me

Nov. 18 is fine with me. I'll take the last 2 categories.
9. Staff Education
10. Other Issues Facing Library Cataloging Staff

Good job Natalie and Pamela on your slideshow presentation!

11-18 okay with me

Title says it all....

and Thank you Toshu for your words on our presentation. The questions from Dr. E. were gruelling. Good luck to you and Amber on your presentation.

November 18th

Natalie,

I am alright with November 18th if everybody agrees.
I will explain Manuel that all questions might be ready on November 19th.

He is really excited about this interview.

My other supervisor is interested in reading our questions as well.

Thank you.

Thank you, Toshu

Thank you for your kind words, Toshu. I will work on questions for the next two sections (unless Amber expresses a preference for these):
7. Database Maintenance, Holdings, and Physical Processing
8. Relationship with Acquisitions Departments
My E-portfolio is due at 9pm on the 17th. Would anyone mind if we have our questions ready by the evening of the 18th? I am sorry to hold things up. This month has been really busy. After I finish my e-portfolio I will have a lot more time available to work on this. Also, I am almost done with my internship!

Thanks again for all you have put into this project already, Toshu.

Congatulation!

Hi Pamela and Natalie,

You guys did great on your presentation.

Your slides are beautiful.

I am looking forward to putting our questions together
and interviewing Manuel together.

Thanks.

Final project

Toshu, thanks for being the point person on this project and moving it along. I've been very much involved with the last assignment, but now that's over I can start to focus on our last project here.

So the 10 catergories are:
1. Description of University, Library, and Staffing
2. Cataloging Productivity
3. New Technologies, Enhancement of Online Catalogs
4. Transition to Metadata Standards
5. Cataloging of Web Sites and Digital, Special Collections
6. Library Catalog/Metadata Training and Presentation
7. Database Maintenance, Holdings, and Physical Processing
8. Relationship with Acquisitions Departments
9. Staff Education
10. Other Issues Facing Library Cataloging Staff

I can work on the questions for 4-6 and have them ready for Monday.

Assignment 6 Questions

Hi

We should figure out questions for the interview with Manuel on Nov. 20th.

There are 10 categories.

I will come up with questions for categories 1 -3.

Please let me know which catagegory you would like.

Also, we should give Manuel our questions in advance.

So, should we put all our questions together by Nov. 17?

Please let me know if it's possible.

Thank you.

Elluminate Session for Assignment 6

Information for Elluminate interview session A6 on November 20th 1:00pm

I requested Dr. Bob for a moderator .

Espeacially, Dr. Bob arranged a moderator for us.

The moderator's name is Mary Ellen.
She will join us to support our Elluminate session.

Also, we could attend online moderator training:
There are recorded moderator training sessions available on theElluminate website: http://www.elluminate.com <http://www.elluminate.com/> .Click on the training page when you get there. You can also sign up forfree live moderator training through the same website page.

My supervisor's name is Manuel Urrizola, Head of Cataloging Metadata Service Department of the UC Riverside, Libraries. He is excited to speak with us. He is a nice and kind person.
I checked his microphone, his speaker, and his computer with Elluminate Drop-in session today.
Everthing is ready.

We almost lost our chance to interview him. Just after Dr. Bob permitted us to interview him, another group contacted Manuel for the interview.

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Resource B

Okay, here is the Resource B. Two things: One is that there isn't any 538 note except for in mine. I really urge us to have this. I think that is a required field for Integrating Resources.

Two: I have a lot more subjects fields. I would like to keep them since I think they all apply, but if everyone else thinks there are some not justified I can delete. Let me know.

I'll email the whole document as well.

The correct A3 part 2

I've got the correct anwsers. (Please read my e-mail)

It’s great!!

We are really doing great with the answer.

I e-mail my corrected copy.

Please check the spelling and punctuations.

We are ready to submit it!

Toshu

Check points
Resource B:
Silver Spring, MD is in District of Columbia = dcu.
Type is “map = e”
So, it needs two 006 & 007
The answer indicates only one 006.
But, the ppt from our class indicates it needs two 006.
So, I added two 006.

Resource A Finalized

I think this is the final version. Look it over and let me know if anything differs. I tried reconciling all the posts with this one. I'll email everything once I finish going through Resource B.

EC2

Did you all finish EC2 already? If not, I would like to join the group on this. Just let me know...

A4 comments and Resource A 245 $b

I was using MARC Lite to choose my indicators, and I think it was screwing me up. I went back and looked at the Marc concise guide and found your choices were correct. Also, I looked at AACR2 rules and agree with Amber about Resource A 245 $b entry. I think it is up to cataloger's judgement. We just need to agree if we want the entry in 245 or 246.

Let's wrap up A4 Part2

I think everybody agrees with Pamela's post on Oct. 28 "Final for A4 part 1."

So, let's move on to part 2.

Let’s be careful with punctuations and indicators! We lost 2 points on A3.

Part2
Resource A
We have disagreements on 245 ‡b .
We have to settle this


For Natalie
245 indicators: 04 ……‡h [electronic resource]
246 indicators: 3_ GDB
260 __ ………, ‡c [1990-]
538 __ Mode of access: World Wide Web.

Resource B
We agree on this one
I made my collections
040 CTA ‡c CTA
90 QC875.U7 ‡b .N3 wrong
90 QC875.U7 ‡b N3 1995 correct one (no period in front of N3) & add 1995
362 1_ Began in 1995. (without ?)

For Natalie
245 indicators: 00
246 indicators: 30 (Amber) or 3_ (Pamela and me)
2nd 246 indicators: 1_

My version of A4

Hi Everyone,

I have emailed my copy of A4 with some highlighted questions. Please let me know what you think.

hi everyone

i am sorry i haven't ben in contact. i have had so much going on, i can't even believe it. so, i am working to catch up on A&B for this assignment and will post more later today...

Extra credit 2

I signed up Team D.

Please sign up if you would like to join.

Thanks

A4 part 2 A&B revision

Hi
I looked at your records and Pamela’s notes.
I made corrections.
I send mine by e-mail.

A3 Pt. 2
Resource A:

Please look at
Original cataloging of integrating resource part A
slides #35 Other title information for transcription
note indicates:
246 0_ $i Subtitle: $a Your first click to the U.S. government


I added 500 note
500 Hosted by the Hospital for Sick Children at Bioinformatics Supercomputing Centre.
362 1_ Began in 1990.

I don’t think we need 538 System requirement, because web browsers become common equipment.

Resource B:
Please look at OCLC#39624265

Thank you.

Discussion on Resource A

Here are some of my thoughts in response to Pamela's discussion:

007 – I think subfield F is optional. I put it in there just for extra info.

050 or 090-I think 050 is assigned by LC. We should use 090 for local assigned call number.

I agree with Toshu in the call number choice here because either using Genome or Human genome as subject heading, they both came up with QH447 as call number in Classification Web.

092-Yeah I’m not familiar with Dewey number so I decided to skip this one.

245-I think either way is fine, depends on how we interpret that heading underneath the main title as subtitle or other title.

260 Publishers-I had some questions to which publishers to use also. Thanks for finding out the info for us, Pamela.

Dates-Now I’m looking at the assignment again. Prof. Ellet noted in Slide 14 that “the earliest entry is for 1996 and this may provide an indication of when the database first went online”. So maybe he’s giving us hints here?

362- If we decided that the publish date is 1996, should we say Began in 1996?

650-Ok. I changed my subject to Human genome to be more specific. I checked the Classification Web, either QH447 or QH431 works.

710-I added the “$b Bioinformatics Supercomputing Centre” part.

IR Manual

Hi everyone,
I was reading the Integrating Resources Manual from CONSER today and
found a few items to note.

Resource A probably should be cataloged as a prior publisher and current.
So Johns Hopkins University would be the previous publisher noted in a 500
note and then the Hospital for Sick Children would be in 260. The 260 field is
not yet repeatable, otherwise you could have both as Toshu had done.(pg 49) Use 550 if issuing body, but I don't think that applies in this case.

Also if you have a 362 field then you don't need the 260 $c date. One or the
other, both is not needed. (pg 46-47 & 65)

With this, I came up with the fields as follows:
Fixed fields
Ctry: onc
Dates: 1996,9999

260 __ Toronto, Ontario : ‡b Hospital for Sick Children
362 1_ Began in 1990.
500__ Published: Baltimore, MD : Johns Hopkins University, 1990-1996

Extra Credit 2

Pamela,

I will join this project.

Reconciling Resource A

Hello, I went over our differences and here's what I came up with - and some questions.....

Fixed Fields:
Elvl – pg will take out so leave blank (to match)
Orig – pg add code “s” (to match)
Freq – pg add code “u” (to match)
Ctry – if using Baltimore, MD for publisher info/wouldn’t Ctry be mdu? Why Ontario?

006 – I used the format from the previous class – how did you get your formating? Which is correct?
007 – is $f (subfield F) necessary if no sound – for leaving blank?
040 – missing on Toshu’s – shouldn’t we have this field?
050 – should be 090 or vice versa, does it matter? We should use the same field#
Also we have different LCC numbers. Probably relates to 650 (below)
092 – Dewey number – we are skipping this, right?
245 - $b do we want to have the info – “An international collaboration in support of the Human Genome Project” - or do we put into a second 246 field. What is the rationale for either?
Also $b is [website] necessary for this resource ?
260 – Do we want to use 1990 or 1996 as the beginning date? It states under the Mission Statement on the “about” page that it began in 1990 and the Hospital for Sick Children took over in 1996. The first archived “what’s new” was listed as 1996.
362 – same as above.
Note on field 362 & 260 $c – from OCLC Bibliographic Formats and Standards
“Follow these guidelines for entering dates for integrating resources:
When no date information is present, omit field 260 subfield ‡ c and record the approximate date in field 362 subfield ‡a, with the first indicator value 1.
362 1 Began in 1990s.

Would this apply to our dates? We do have two dates, just nothing specific on when it went online.

5xx notes – order – I verified the order of notes This is correct – nature & scope (516) , then the mode of access & sys requirements (538) Then source of title proper (500). I’ve had points taken off for wrong order of notes before.
538 – I would suggest we do add the System requirements – another place I’ve had points taken off for not having. The Netscape note was listed on two pages as a minimum requirement.

650 – I have the more specific Human genome – Toshu & Amber with just genome - shouldn’t we go with the more specific? It is also mentioned in the “Mission Statement” portion – it sounds like the database is human genome. Or is it more broad? Also relates to why we have different LCC numbers.

710 – It is Johns – plural.
710 – for Hospital… shouldn’t we have $b Bioinformatics Supercomputing Centre – it was mentioned on the “contact information” page and on the “about” page – Mission statement. Also listed in the authorities file too.

Part B. Resource A&B

Here are my takes on Part B.

Resource B

A4 pt.2 Resource B

Extra Credit #2 SACO

Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if anyone wants to participate with the extra credit SACO assignment DUE: Nov. 7th, 11pm. There's a lot of assignments going on right now, but I really want to do this, so I'll go it alone if no one else is interested.
Let me know.
Thanks!

ps: Happy Halloween

classification

I saw in blackboard that we can pick either Dewey or Library of Congress classification - shall we go with LC again?

Part 2 - Resource A

Here is the Resoure A cataloged. I put the begin date as 1990 because of the statement: “established at Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland USA in 1990”. Although with the 1996 update I’m not 100% sure this is the correct date for the web site, maybe just for the Human Genome Project.

I was also unsure how to record the two corporate names – if they do both get a 7xx field. Finally – are we to do both Dewey and LC classification or pick one? Anyone know? I did both.

A4 part2 resource A

Please give your suggestions!

A4 Part 1

I’m sorry I came in so late in the discussion for this assignment. I finally caught up with all the readings and emails for my classes.

Here is what I have for Part 1:

Resource A-Monograph. It’s a book issued with finite term.

Resource B-Integrating resource since it’s a website with constant updates.

Resource C-Serial. This is a journal that is issued in discrete parts with no predetermined conclusion.

Resource D-At first I thought it’s an integrating resource since it’s a website with constant updates. But after I take a closer look and I agree with everyone here that it can be a Serial since the updates are issued in discrete parts.

Resource E-I almost thought this is a monograph since it is published in one specific date without further mention of continuous publication. But you guys are correct that it is an Integrating Resource because it has constant updates.

Resource H-Integrating resource. A website that receives updates. No question here.

Alright. I’m going to start working on Part 2 now!

Final for A4 Part 1

So are we agreed on the following:

A. Monograph; document issued in discrete part with no indication of continuing issues or updates.
B. Integrating Resource, Updating Website, Finite; continuous document updates for the duration of the Midwinter Conference with earlier iterations and updates combined.
C. Serial; remote access for document, with all issues and updates available in discrete parts.
D. Serial; links provide access to discrete updates via Web links.
E. Integrating resource; page declares the document is a work in process, updates periodically, like loose-leaf.
H. Integrating resource, database; updates become part of the whole document and do not remain discrete

A4-A1-Disccussion

Thank you for your suggestions.

Resource A:
I agree.
It's a monograph.

Resource D:
It does have discrete parts.
I think it's a serial too.

Resource E:
I thought the last version is like a last issue. Also, I found OCLC#224990309 is serial.
But, it is the update that do not remain discrete and are integrated into the whole.
The latest versions are placing the previous versions.
So, I agree that it is integrated resource.

A4 - P1 - Discussion

For resource A - I think we are to catalog for the e-book that is showing instead of the online catalog. The title of the web site states: Sociology of Education: Emerging Persepectives, which is also the title of the book, instead of "net Library" which would be the catalog that the ebook is found through. That's why I was saying it is a monograph. Do we need clarification?

Resource D - is a little tricky. It reminds me of a database, but there isn't a search feature, so it isn't that. There are weekly updates, and it looks like they retain the old issues, so maybe this one is a serial. It does have discrete parts.

Resource E - I don't think is a serial. I was thinking this is an Integrating Resource that updates more like a loose-leaf - with the updates not on a regular basis, but now that I look at it some more I think it is a monograph, like resource A. There are a table of contents listed, the two versions could be considered two different editions. They are both available, just as you would have both editions of a printed book. One reason why I don't think it is a serial is there is no indication of regular updates planned.
This web site is extremely similar to the slide: http://www.dublincore.org/documents/dc-html/
does it help to see this? I'm starting to think that what this is a a work-in-progress that is listed as the "current version" but there are moments when it becomes fixed or "published" and that's why there are the two earlier versions listed. But the updating is ongoing, and integrated into the documents as they go along. So it wouldn't be a monograph or serial but just Integrating Resource (really does remind me of a loose-leaf printed copy but online and changing more frequently).

A4 Part 1 discussion

Resource A:
Pamela and Natalie think it is Monograph.

But, I thought this information on website can be updated as intergrating resource.
For instance, 2nd edition of the title.
What do you think?

Resource D:
All updates will be added to new links.
I thought it is the same as Resource C.
So, it has discrete parts. (Serial)
What do you think?

Resource H:
Natalie and Pamela, you are right.
It is Integrating Resource Database.

Assignment 6

Hi everyone:

I'm back! I'm sorry for the late reply as I just got back this weekend and still trying to catch up with all the overdue emails. Unfortunately I couldn't get any Internet connection during traveling.

The plan sounds good. We can try to come up with a list of questions before the interview. I'll try to make it to the interview session as long it's in the evening (after 7pm).

I need to start looking at assignment 4 as well. I'll give my input as soon as possible.

part 1

Good Afternoon,

Hope you all enjoyed your weekend.

A. Are we evaluating the book or the entire website? How do we know?

D. Ok. I went back to the ppt. I see your point on this on this one, Toshu. The links provide access to updates in discrete parts.

H. Question for this one. I was thinking this was an IR Db. Toshu, did you decide it
is a website because of there is a URL?

Part 1

Here's what I have for part 1.

A: monograph – finite resource, no indication of future updates (ebook)

B: integrating resource – has end date - finite

C: serial – infinite yet discrete, online

D: website integrating resource – infinite & non-discrete

E: integrating resource - non-discrete, updates periodically, like loose-leaf

H: integrating resource database

Assignmnet 4 part 1 Let's discuss!

Hi, Let's discuss part 1

Please let me know your suggestions.

Resource A:
Integrating Resource
This information on website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole.

Resource B:
Integrated resource
This information on website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole.

Resource C:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The title on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.

Resource D:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The title on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.

Resource E:
Serial (Electronic resource Online serial)
The updates on website is issued in a succession of discrete parts by links, usually bearing numbering, that has no predetermined conclusion.

Resource H:
Integrating Resource
This website can be updated.
The updates do not remain discrete and are integrate into whole

Assignment 6

I will ask him those questions.

So, we will wait for Amber then.

Assign 6 plan

I'm okay with the plan as well. Yes, definitely record it in Elluminate, because in all likelihood I won't be able to make it to the Q&A - unless it's in the evenings. It's easy to set up, just request the time from Dr. Ellett.

Do you want to ask Mr. Manuel Urrizola the necessary questions from Dr. Ellett - "please provide number of staff in the cataloging department and whether the manager of the dept. has an MLIS degree." Or wait until Amber is back and chimes in? We have until next Friday to send in site approval.

...now for the IR assignment..... more later :-)

Assignment 6 schedule

Head of our cataloging department, Mr. Manuel Urrizola, is willing to do the interview with us.

So, if you guys are alright with this plan, I will check his schedule and make an appointment.

I told him the interview will be about 30-40 min. and our questions will be presented to him as soon as possible.

Please let me know.

I am on board with thus plan

I think this is a good plan. I'll take any sections. It really doesn't matter to me. However, I would like to finish up the IR assignment before we get really going on this. Pam and I have started worked on the Non-Print assignment too. As far times for the Elluminate session, I am ok with Mon and Tues after 6pm and and anytime on Weds, Thurs, and Fri.

Assginment 6 plan

My supervisor suggested me to interview with our head of department.

So, I will ask my head of department to set up the meeting with Elluminate.

At the same time, I will ask Dr. Bob how to set up the Elluminate recording.

First of all, we need to set the interview time in November.

Secondly, we need to select questions.

From the guidlne, there are 10 categories.

I will work on category 1 since this is my work place.

We can divide the categories.

For example,
Toshu think about questions for categories 2&3.

And, we can put all together before the interview.

Please let me know.

Toshu's Idea

I think that is a great idea, Toshu. I would love to learn more about your department. I have one request that I think is pretty important. I would like have the session recorded for anyone who can't make it. Could you set up an Elluminate session with your supervisor so hopefully all can attend?

Assingment 6 Evaluation Cataloging Service

I could interview my superviosrs in my cataloging department (UC Riverside, Cataloging Metadata Dept.).
One of my supervisors agreed with the interview.

Recently, R2 team came to our library and did their evaluation.

One of R2 members interviewed me with my co-workers.

We can decide our questions togehter and divide the writing into 2-3 pages per a group member.

Please let me know.

IR assignment

Good Morning Everyone,

Would anyone mind if we aim to complete this assignment on the original due date of 10/31? Pam and I have our non-print assignment due date coming up, and I would like to make sure we have enough time to do a good job. I started on part 1 last night. I wasn't quite sure about H. Does anyone have any ideas? I am going back to the books to take another look.
Here is what I have so far:
Part 1

Monograph, Serial, or IR? Why or why not?

A. Monograph; document issued in discrete part with no indication of continuing issues or updates.
B. Integrating Resource, Updating Website, Finite; continuous document updates for the duration of the Midwinter Conference with earlier iterations and updates combined.
C. Serial; remote access for document, with all issues and updates available.
D. Integrating Resource, Updating Web site; continuously updated and accessible via latest iteration.
E. Serial; earlier version is available and the document is likely to have future updates.
H. database????

Final draft Assign #3

Natalie

I think your cutter and call numbers are alright.

I changed my call numbers.

246 13 is variant title in serial.
I still think ISGS is a variant title of #2, not publisher.
130 0_ Newsletter (California State Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter.
246 13 ISGC
260 Springfield, Calif. : ǂb California State Veterinary Society.
300 v. ; ‡c 28 cm.
310 Bimonthly
500 Description based on: Vol.30 no.1 (Jan/Feb, 2008); title from caption.
500 Latest issue consulted: Vol.30, no.1 (Jan/Feb, 2008).


Please look at my #4.

I changed it from my final draft
My supervisor checked it and suggested those entries.

246 1_ ‡i P (CAPS)

090 BX6201 ǂb .F57
110 2_First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
245 14 The first edition.
246 1_‡i Prominently displayed on issue: ‡a Intersections
260 Norfolk, VA : ‡b First Baptist.
300 v. ; ‡c 24 cm.
310 Weekly
500 Description based on: Aug. 2/3, 2008 issue; title from cover.
500 Latest issue consulted: Aug. 9/10, 2008 issue.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ‡v Periodicals.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ‡v Directories,
650 _0Baptists ǂz Virginia ǂz Norfolk ǂv Periodicals.

Because this is about the church, so, the church gets the main entry.
The issues contain a lot of directory.

Thanks

Toshu

Assingment 3 Required another 500 fields, 300 fields & ISGS

Another 500 fields:

Dr Bob told me we should add the following 500 note for CONSER STANDARD

#1, #2 & #4
500 Latest issue consulted: Vol. 30 no. 1 (Jan/Feb, 2008) issue.


300 fields:

I’ve got the answer for 300 field from Dr. Bob.

Dr. Bob verified that we have to add 300 v. ‡c 28 cm. on #1 & #2

On #4, we have to measure it. I got 24 cm.
So, 300 v. ‡c 24 cm.

Dr Bob answer:

300 subfield a is not required.

For print volumes, use 300 v.

Refer to class meeting on 10/14


ISGS:
My question and Dr. Bob’s answer regarding ISGS

1) Assign 3 #2

246 13 ISGS
But, what does ISGS stand for?

Dr. Bob answer:
That is for the cataloger to figure out


(ISGS) Illinois State Geological Survey


http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/home.shtml


Or

Illinois State Genealogical Society (ISGS)

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilsgs/

Extra Credit-no

Sorry everyone. I don't think I'll be able to join the extra credit project. I just recently got promoted as the Electronic resource assistant within my department. I'm also starting an internship with LA County Public Library. On top of that, I'm taking vacation next week (whew...I really need that...) So I don't think I have enough time for this extra credit.

Hope you all have a great week. I'll try to stay in touch.

Assign #3 (#2 & #3)

My boss is a CONSER level serial instructor.

He shares with me the following points:

#2
He show me an CONSER training example that is exactly the same as #2.
I think Dr Bob changed the titlte, publisher, and auther information.
But, maybe, he didn't change ISGS whcih stands for Illinos Society of Geography....

#3
The fist edition is a common serial title.
He searched and found an article on the web.
The article proves that people in the chuch calls the publication "The first edition."

Assignment #3 Final Approach

Hi,
Let's wrap it up!

Thank you for your file, Pamela.

You can check with the CONSER cheatsheet.,
According to the cheatsheet
CONSER standard should be:
Elvl: blank
srce: c
o42 pcc
245 subfield b & c: not required
260 subfield c: not required
300 is not required
310 subfield b: not required

I have the following suggestions beside the fixed fields:
#1
Drop 245 subfield b
Drop 260 subfield c
Drop 300 subfield a
Drop 310 subfield b, And not Quaterly, "Bimonthly"
Need 1st indicator 362 1_
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_

#2
Need 1st indicator 130 0_
245 needs full stop
Add 246 13 ISGS
500 Description based on vol. 30, no. 1 (Jan/Feb 2008); title from caption.
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_

#4
Need 110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) not 130 0_
246 1_ ‡i prominently displayed on issue: ‡a Intersections, not 246 14
Drop 300 field
Need 2nd indicator 650 _0
Need 1st indicator 710 2_

I will send you guys my version.

Thanks

Where are we?

Hi, I feel quite unsure about this assignment due tomorrow. I just emailed what I have so far. I think the different types of AACR2 and CONSER are still confusing me. Yesterday I felt like I understood this better.....

Extra credit - yes

Sure! Toshu's today looked great.

Extra Credit Anyone?

Does anyone want to go for the extra credit together?

serials assignment

Hi everyone.
I'm back, and jumping back into this serials cataloging. Yes, I agree let's go with the CONSER standard as well. I listened to the recording from yesterday's class and there are some answers there! Esp. for #2. If I understood correctly, the correct entries are following, although the capitalization may be wrong:
130 _ _ Newsletter (California state veterinary society)
245 10 Newsletter
710 _ _ California state veterinary society

For #1 I can see that Kent may be an abbreviation for Kentucky so I looked online and there is a town called Tonbridge in Kent (I think County), which is in England, so I think we should go with that route.

I did miss some fields in my first cataloging attempt - such as 300. It should be as Amber had it with 300 v. and then the 042 field should be pcc which then states we are using the CONSER level cataloging. Now I'm wondering if we need the 040 field as well. Also, on #2 I thought that ISGS was the publisher name since there was that address following.

#4

For #4, I found an authority record for this church organization.

First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)

So I put
110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.)
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Va.) ǂv Periodicals.

Serials assignment

Good Morning Everyone,

I am going to work on this assignment today. At this point, I have only completed the reading and the easy question about major and minor changes. More to come.... (:

Assignment 3

#1
ELvl: blank
srce: c
037 blank
042 pcc
245 00 Cellular telephone sounds : ǂb Quarterly journal devoted to their distribution.
260 __ Tonbridge, Ky. : ǂb John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.
310 __ Quarterly
710 2_ John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.

#2
Title is "Newsletter."

ELvl: blank
srce: c
042 __ pcc
043 __ n-us-ca
130 or 110 0_ Newsletter (California State Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter / ǂc California State Veterinary Society.
246 13 ISGC ...(I am not sure what ISGC stands for. But, it looks like the variant title.)
710 2_ California State Veterinary Society.

#3
I agree with Palm and Amber.

#4
I research the official name of the church.
http://www.firstnorfolk.org/details.php?action=article&id=12

ELvl: blank
srce: c
042 __ pcc
110 2_ First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Norfolk, Va.)
245 10 Intersections : ‡b love God, love others, live the mission.
250 __ 1st ed.
260 __ Norfolk, VA : ‡b First Baptist Church of Norfolk.
310 __ Weekly.
500 __ Description based on August 2&3, 2003 issue; title from cover.
610 20 First Baptist Church of Norfolk (Norfolk, Va.) ‡v Periodicals.

CONSER & comparisons

I would vote for CONSER standard as well. For some reason, I thought I was following CONSER standard, but I kept mixing it up with AACR2.

Comparisons with Pamela’s record and Toshu’s notes with my records:

#1

For all records, I don’t think we need to add ǂa in any fields. They’re usually hidden in bib records.

Fixed fields:

Encoding level-I think it needs to be blank for all CONSER records.

Source-Should be “c” for cooperative program?

Regularity-I think we can put “r” here for regularly published periodical.

037-Is this field required?

042-I added “pcc” for all records.

245-I’m not sure whether to put “Quarterly journal devoted to their distribution” in subfield b or in 500 note. What do you think?

260-Sorry I thought Kent means Kentucky.

I thought the publisher is “John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office”?

Noted on subfield c. I took out the 2008-

300-removed

310-Not sure if we need subfield b here.

650-added ǂv Periodicals.

710-I thought we only put the added entry here for corporate names appear under statement of responsibility?

#2

Fixed fields:

Encoding level-blank

Source- “c” for cooperative program?

Regularity-“r”

Dates-I’ve seen records that use 19uu, uuuu is ok too.

043-I added California’s geographical code here to reflect the state.

245, 246-We all have different titles here. This one may be difficult to interpret.

260-I’m not sure about the publisher here either. Since both Toshu and Pamle put California State Veterinary Society, I’ll change mine as well.

300-removed.

What do you think of this “ISGS”? Is it more like a title, or publisher? It’s really confusing.

#3

Noted on Pamela’s explanation. I checked through the PowerPoint slides and I agree B,D,I,J are major changes and all others are minor changes.

#4 Manifestation distributed during onsite class.

This one is tough. I’m waiting to see what kind of records we all come up with.

Conser

I was thinking I would like to get real comfortable with Conser...

Dr. Robert Response Traditional (AACR) or CONSER

"I answered this in the forum. You can follow AACR2 or CONSER, but state which one you are following."

We must decide which one we will follow.

I think CONSER one is easier.

So, I vote for CONSER!

Assgin6 #1 & #2

#1
I am not sure we should add 2008- on 260 subfield c.
Traditional or CONSER standard practice?
Also, I am not sure about 300 field.

So, I am asking Dr. Ellet about it.

But, if we put 042 pcc, I think it will be CONSER Standard practice.

650 Cellular telephones ‡v Periodicals.
I added subfield v, periodicals.

710 2_ John Hilton Editorial & Publishing Office.

#2
042 pcc

130 0_ Newsletter (California Veterinary Society)
245 10 Newsletter / ǂc California Veterinary Society.
246 13 ISGS
260 __ Springfield, Calif. : ǂb California State Veterinary Society.
710 2_ California State Veterinary Society.

Serials assignment

Here are the first two cataloged for the assignment. I'm with Amber this can be difficult. I had a hard time with nearly everything - so I really don't feel very confident with these results so far. I was trying to follow the CONSER standard (at least I think I was) but with added info in the fixed fields. Dr. Ellett did state that extra info is never wrong.

Also, for the major/minor change I went over that ppt again and now think there are 4 major changes: B, D, I & J - either due to wording change or adding time period.

My serial assignment

Hi group:

I just send out my first attempt of my serial assignment to everyone. I would like to get started on this assignment since I didn't contribute much last time.

This assignment is a little bit difficult. We all may have different interpretations. I would suggest let's share our works together and discuss together like what we've been doing for previous assignments.

Are we following CONSER or AACR2 standards? I'm not sure what to put in 042 field.

For #3, I found B and J to be major title changes, and the rest are minor changes.

Out of town too & Serial Assignment

Hi all, I am also going to be out of town, but sooner than Amber. I'm joining my family for a little October birthday celebration - there's 3 of us - from this Sunday through Tuesday. I hope that I will have internet connection while I'm away - the hotel said it did. But we shall see.... I will have to miss Tuesday's class session, but will be able to make it to the special one on Wednesday.

As far as this assignment, I started on the easy part first. Part 3- where the titles are Minor or Major changes. It looks to me that the only Major changes are B & D. Am I missing something? what are your guys thoughts??

Also, how are we approaching this assignment - as before, each work on it and compare results? I'm going to spend some time on the cataloging aspect before I leave on Sunday.

Out of Town

I would like to let everyone know that I'll be out of town between Oct. 20-25. I'll try to finish my assignments beforehand. Hopefully I will have Internet connection while on the road. Sorry for the inconvenience!

Nice!

Great work! Glad to be on such a great team!!

Thank you!

Great Grade!

We have a streak now of good grades. Excellent work everyone.
I'm pleased :-)

Our grade

Good Morning Everyone!

Amber, I hope you are well on the road to recovering. Grades for NACO assignment are posted. We received a 96. Overall, I am happy with this grade. I spent a lot of time second guessing myself on this assignment. Thanks to everyone for all your effort.

Finished?

Hi! I just got home from work. It looks like you guys did a great job of finalizing this today. So the last file sent from Natalie is the one we're submitting? I just want to make sure before I also submit. It does look good!

Natalie & Amber I hope you can rest up this weekend and get over those colds!
Thanks Toshu too for all your help on this one.

Watch out ! #11 & #12 tricky questions

I found out the followings:

#11 doesn't need qualifier ()
#12 needs qualifier AACR2 24.4 C5


#12
110 2 Environmental Law Society ( University of California, Davis)
410 2 University of California, Davis. $b Environmental Law Society

AACR2 24.4C5. Institutions
Add the name of an institution instead of the local place name if the institution’s name is commonly associated with the name of the body. Give the name of the institution in the form and language used for it as a heading.

Newman Club (Brooklyn College)
not
Newman Club (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.)
Newman Club (University of Maryland)
not
Newman Club (College Park, Md.)
Center for Radiation Research (National Measurement Laboratory (U.S.))
Institut geologiĭ (Akademi nauk SSSR. Komi filial)
Institut geologiĭ (Akademi nauk SSSR. Karel¢skiĭ filial)

Thank you for everyone's hard work.

I received Natalie's A2.
It looks good.
I will submit mine as well.

I will research on #12 more
and let you guys know if I find out something more.


Thank you.

Have a nice weekend.

I hope Natalie and Amber feel better.

Sorry

Sorry I haven't been participating much on this assignment. I was finally able to get out of bed yesterday after lying in bed for 2 days. Thank you all for your thorough explanations. Without your help, I really don't know how I can finish the assignment by myself.

From Pamela's post earlier on:

#6: Pam has as 410 starting as Patrick, Toshu and Amber has Pat - I got mine from the second mention. Wouldn't this need to be spelled out?

Yes. This is my mistake. I should’ve spell out Patrick as it is.

#14: All match except Amber didn't but the birth date in - since it was given it should be added.

Got it. I will add the dates.

I thought Natalie's final version seems very good. I will also submit my assignment today.

Alabama

I think that you can abbreviate State as in 260 fields subfields $a.
You don't have to spell it out.
For example:
California - Calif.

I am ready

I agree with Toshu. I am ready to be done with this assignment. (: I have emailed you all what I intend to submit as my final. I have a question though. About spelling out Alabama, can't authority record be wrong?

Lets' finalize it!

Hi,

I hope Amber and Natalie feel better. Please have rest if you can.

It's only 5% of our grades. But, this is a great practice.

You guys are doing great!

I think we should wrap it up and submit our assignment.

In terms of fixed fields, Dr. Bob put OCLC ARN number on #1
So, I put it.

Every cataloger has different judgement in cataloging.
Catalogers discuss it over and over.
And, catalogers try to get second opinions.

We almost agree everything except #12 and fixed fields.

If you are not comfortable with some of answers by our group,
I think you can put your own answer down for this assinment.


My answers for posts and comments from Natalie and Pamela:
#1
I think I have an incorrect one (670)
#3
I will follow your decision.
I followed the following guide line
Smith, John M. q (John Michael) -- no cross-ref required
Smith, J. C. q (Joan Carol) -- cross-ref required
#6
We should spell out "Partick"
#7
Let's not put "M.V.F.S.G."
I was wondering and talked with catalogers
Also, I followed OCLC records , For example, American Medical Assn.
ARN36366
#8
Let's follow Dr. Bob's guideline.
When we finalize a coporate name,
We always add (Firm), Inc.,or Corporation to corporate names.
Some of names can't tell a corporation, personal, or music group
#9
It's interesting! Pamela, you found similar OCLC record.
Let's follow the OCLC record
#11
I agree with Natalie about #11.
#12
Two bodies (University of California and Davis)
So, I thought it was different from #11
#13
Please spell out "Alabama"
I copied from the OCLC record
#14
I agree to add the date

just found this....

1) If the initial occurs in the forename portion of the surname-forename heading, give in the parenthetical addition not only the full form but also the other forenames that appear in the forename portion of the heading. However, do not include a particle or prefix that appears in the forename portion. Place the parenthetical addition directly after the forename portion and before any other addition (e.g., date, title).
100 1# $a Flam, F. A. $q (Floyd A.)
100 1# $a Smith, T. B. $q (T. Basil)
100 1# $a Wright, G. H. von $q (George Henrik), $d 1916-
100 1# $a Beruete y Moret, A. de $q (Aureliano), $d 1876-1922
100 1# $a Jaina, Pra. $q (Prākaśa)
("Pra." is the systematically romanized form of a single nonroman initial)
100 1# $a Smith, Arthur D. $q (Arthur Dwight), $d 1907-
100 1# $a Bvindi, Francis A. A. L. $q. (Francis A. A. Lovemore), $d 1955-

#3 - 4 too? and #9

Thanks Natalie for pulling this all together - your interpretations sound good. So does that mean we should put both names under subfield q for #4 100 entry?

I can't find much on the (program) part of #9. Maybe ?? it was discussed in the sept 30 class, but the recording hasn't yet been posted. The class was mostly Q&A the first part about this exercise then it moved on...
On bb there was a question about applying the geographic portion, which doesn't apply. It does show the form found on OCLC:

110 2_ Cleveland Health Quality Choice (Program)
670 Its Summary report, c1994: ‡b t.p. (Cleveland Health Quality Choice) p. 2 of cover (Cleveland Health Quality Choice Program)

looks very close to our #9.

#3

22.18 - Fuller forms

Option

Exercise the option of adding the fuller form even when not required to distinguish between otherwise identical names, provided the spelled-out form can be readily ascertained at the time of establishing the heading.

Note that in applying the option, the following are not added: unused forenames to headings that contain forenames; initials of names that are not part of the heading, unused parts of surnames to headings that contain surnames.

Interpretation

Do not add to the heading the fuller form of a familiar name or nickname chosen for the heading. However, if the form chosen for the heading consists of a standard abbreviation for which there is no ambiguity of meaning (such as "Wm." for "William"), give in the parenthetical addition the full name.
Svatek, Kathy, 1948-
not
Svatek, Kathy (Katherine), 1948-

but
Brownridge, Wm. (William)

Do not apply the option retrospectively to names established prior to the implementation of AACR 2R unless one or other of the following conditions apply:

a) the addition is required to distinguish between names that are otherwise identical; or

b) the heading requires a change in some other element in order to bring it into line with AACR 2R and the fuller form of a name used in the revised heading can be readily ascertained at the time of revision.
AACR 1:
Dennison, John D., 1929-

AACR 2R:
Dennison, John D., 1929-

Full name:
John David Dennison

but

AACR 1:
Jones, Rhys Price

AACR 2R:
Jones, R. (Rhys Price)

Interpetation

If the initials occur both in the entry element of the name (surnames, etc.) and in the inverted part of the name (forenames, etc.) add the full form of the entire name in direct order at the end of the name.
Letelier S., Mario F. (Mario Francisco
Letelier Sotomayor)

but
T., Jacques (Turgeon)

So, for 3#:

040 MARC _b eng _c MARC ¶


100 1# Melton, Joseph C. ¶


400 1# Melton, Joseph Charles ¶


670 Dynamics of electrodes in chromic acids electrolytes, 2008: _b t.p. (Joseph C. Melton) ¶


670 Univ. of California, Fullerton list of degree recipients, May 2008: $b (Melton, Joseph Charles) ¶

Does everyone agree with my interpretation?

#11 & 12

Does this help clarify?
from the corp ppt #3:

INDIRECT ENTRY - rule: AACR2 24.13
identifies 6 TYPES of NON-GOVERNMENT corporate body names that are entered subordinately

AACR2 24.3: Type 5 - A name of a university faculty, school, college, institute, laboratory, etc., that simply indicates a particular field of study.
example:
110 2_ Manhattan College. $b Holocaust Resource Center

In response to Pam

Sorry, I didn't get Natalie's email - so working off the three versions - Natalie you and Amber aren't feeling well, I hope you both get well soon!! I always find school work more challenging when sick.
Thanks!

Comparisons: Toshu - I hope I was looking at your right version. I went from the last email.
First Fixed Fields: We are nearly the same except two fields: Auth Status & Ref Status. We may be not going 100% according to true cataloging as some of these would need to be reviewed....I think Dr. Ellett mentioned this in Sept. 23's class.
Don't we need to fill in the Auth Status field? If so then they should all be A for "fully established heading". I thought this was addressed somewhere, other than the ppt slides, but I cannot find it, maybe also in the class.
Ref Status: If there is a 4xx then this needs to be A - not B. In the class BB Dr. Ellett had addressed this.
I posted a reply to this effect quoting Dr. E from BB.

Other than the Fixed fields here’s our differences.


#3: Toshu - the tp does have Joseph C Melton. The question then is do we add the subfield Q and delete the extra 400? Or does the 400 stay because that came from a different source? I think the latter would be accurate, but I'm not sure.
I share this question. Does anyone have a definitive answer? I will look it up...

#4: I am also confused about the subfield Q - do we need to spell out both names, or just the one initialed? According to Toshu's post at 12:42 that we would need to have the cross-ref. Also, does the ordering of the 400's matter? We have the same but in different order. I just went in order by how it appeared in the 670.
We need to clarify. I was confused about this as well.

#6: Pam has as 410 starting as Patrick, Toshu and Amber has Pat - I got mine from the second mention. Wouldn't this need to be spelled out?
Good catch, Pam. I had this wrong too.


#8: I took out the Inc. because Dr. Ellett specifically mentioned this that it would not be needed since the series of names implies coporateness. I suggest we do remove the inc. Also Dr. Ellett said that you must have that comma before the “and” spelled out in 410. These two things he mentioned in Tue's Sept 30 class.
This makes sense to me. I will trust your lead.

#9: I think the (Program) was also because of what was mentioned in the Sept 30 class. I also saw something about this one in the ppt slides, but I don't remember where. I also compared to some records on OCLC and they don't have the added 410. I'll have to search again for this one.

#11: Wouldn't the 110 have the law society first? Again, I saw slides on this - discussing the government and jurisdiction where it said:
1xx $a Government agency (Jurisdiction)
4xx $a Jurisdiction. $b Government agency
If we need to I'll find the reference.
I thought the parent organization was first?

#12: I was lost on this one. Maybe we should just follow the same as #11
I need to work on this one as well.



As far as straight copying from OCLC with ARN number I would want to be cautious with this. Dr. Ellett stated he made these up, although evidently not all of them, because he did not want us to copy.
I also understood this to be the case....

my eyes are starting to cross....

I am having a hard time keeping up with every one's input. I feel like we are getting a little scattered. I think one of us should try to put everything together and email it out for the rest look over. What do you think? I would be glad to do this.

more on comparison

Sorry, I didn't get Natalie's email - so working off the three versions - Natalie you and Amber aren't feeling well, I hope you both get well soon!! I always find school work more challenging when sick.

Comparisons: Toshu - I hope I was looking at your right version. I went from the last email.
First Fixed Fields: We are nearly the same except two fields: Auth Status & Ref Status. We may be not going 100% according to true cataloging as some of these would need to be reviewed....I think Dr. Ellett mentioned this in Sept. 23's class.
Don't we need to fill in the Auth Status field? If so then they should all be A for "fully established heading". I thought this was addressed somewhere, other than the ppt slides, but I cannot find it, maybe also in the class.
Ref Status: If there is a 4xx then this needs to be A - not B. In the class BB Dr. Ellett had addressed this.
Other than the Fixed fields here’s our differences.

#1: Toshu - you seem to have a different 670. Maybe you took that from the WIKI which Dr. Ellett said he mistakenly had a different 670.

#3: Toshu - the tp does have Joseph C Melton. The question then is do we add the subfield Q and delete the extra 400? Or does the 400 stay because that came from a different source? I think the latter would be accurate, but I'm not sure.

#4: I am also confused about the subfield Q - do we need to spell out both names, or just the one initialed? According to Toshu's post at 12:42 that we would need to have the cross-ref. Also, does the ordering of the 400's matter? We have the same but in different order. I just went in order by how it appeared in the 670.

#6: Pam has as 410 starting as Patrick, Toshu and Amber has Pat - I got mine from the second mention. Wouldn't this need to be spelled out?


#8: I took out the Inc. because Dr. Ellett specifically mentioned this that it would not be needed since the series of names implies coporateness. I suggest we do remove the inc. Also Dr. Ellett said that you must have that comma before the “and” spelled out in 410. These two things he mentioned in Tue's Sept 30 class.

#9: I think the (Program) was also because of what was mentioned in the Sept 30 class. I also saw something about this one in the ppt slides, but I don't remember where. I also compared to some records on OCLC and they don't have the added 410. I'll have to search again for this one.

#11: Wouldn't the 110 have the law society first? Again, I saw slides on this - discussing the government and jurisdiction where it said:
1xx $a Government agency (Jurisdiction)
4xx $a Jurisdiction. $b Government agency
If we need to I'll find the reference.

#12: I was lost on this one. Maybe we should just follow the same as #11

#13: all same, except Toshu’s has Alabama spelled out in the 110 - it should be abbreviated.

#14: All match except Amber didn't but the birth date in - since it was given it should be added.

As far as straight copying from OCLC with ARN number I would want to be cautious with this. Dr. Ellett stated he made these up, although evidently not all of them, because he did not want us to copy.

Okay, where do we go from here? We’re getting close despite this long post! And we need to sew it up and turn in tomorrow. I did repeat some of Toshu’s post. Sorry! How do we reconcile?

Toshu's #7

Hi Toshu,

I am looking at your update on #7. You added another 4XX: Ø 5 410 2_ M.V.F.S.G. Why did you decide to add this. Wouldn't this normalize to MVFSG?

Comparing answers

Beside fixed fields,
We had the same answers except the followings:

3) Toshu (100 field only) "I thought title should be from T.P."

4) Amber (different spelling "Lynn" or "Lynne" from others)

9) Pamela ( add "(program)" and no 410)

11) Toshu (110 and 410 reversed, Amber and Pamela has the same)
"Compared to #12, other records in OCLC was different."

12) all different answers, (Everybody has the same answer, but....)

13) Amber (no birth year)

Let's rectify our answers (fixed fields, 1XX, 4XX & 5XX)

#12 & fixed fields

Comparing #12, our record #12 has only one 670.
I assume this is a different record from OCLC.

In terms of fixed fields:
I think #10, #13 & #14 are the same records in OCLC.
So, I copied everything from OCLC records, including
ARN# and Entered: date on the records as well.

The rest of them:
Established heading on a bibliographic records has not been used before.
Also, references have not been evaluated

So, I input the followings for fixed files:
Upd Status: a
Ref status: b
Auth status _

1XX should be from T.P.

HI,

I found the following rules for 1XX:

100/400
A cross-reference is needed if name differs to the left of the comma or in the 1st element to the right of the comma.
For example,
Smith, John M. q (John Michael) -- no cross-ref required (no 4XXor 5XX)
Smith, J. C. q (Joan Carol) -- cross-ref required (yes 4XX or 5XX)

LCRI: 22.3A Variant Forms Within One Item:
If the name of an author appears in two or more forms in one work, apply the following:
1. If the name appears in two or more sources, once in the chief source and one or more times in other sources, choose the form appearing in the chief source.
title page: T.B. Smith
verso of t.p.: T. Basil Smith III
heading: Smith, T. B. (T. Basil)

2. If the name does not appear in the chief source but does appear once in another prominent source (cf. 0.8) and one or more times in other sources, choose the form appearing in the prominent source.
verso of t.p.: R.J. Gottschall
page 239: Robert J. Gottschall
heading: Gottschall, R. J. (Robert J.)

3. In all situations not covered by 1) or 2) above, choose the fullest form of name.
verso of t.p.: Victoria Galofre Neuto
page 1 of cover: Victoria Galofre
heading: Galofre Neuto, Victoria

Finally emailed my answers to everyone

Hi Everyone,

I am finally finished. I apologize for letting the time get away from me. I have also been sick ): The heat isn't helping much either. I am confused about #5. This is what I have: 2 100 1# Parkerson, P. C. ‡ q (Philip Castledine) ‡ d 1947- ¶
3 400 1# Parkerson, Philip Castledine ‡ d 1947- ¶
I used the TP as 100 entry? Grr

My assignment 2

Hi:

Sorry I've been sick all day and wasn't able to check my email until now.

I have send out my assignment 2 for everyone to review. My answers are pretty much the same as everyone else. I noticed we do have some differences in a couple questions.

#3 - I agree with Pamela. I thought we use the chief source as the main entry.

#4 - Is it ‡q (Daryl Lynn) or ‡q (Daryl)? I'm not quite sure about this one. And I think we need to add the birth year for all entries.

#5 - I just followed the form on the t.p. and my answer is: Parkerson, P.C. $q (Philip Castledine), $d 1947-

#8 - Yes I would add another 410 to add the "and."

#9-I'm not really sure about this one. I just use the format on the t.p. then add another 410 entry to add the Program.

#11-I just followed the same format as #12 and put Environmental Law Society (University of Vermont) on 110 and put University of Vermont on front in 410.

#14-I'm not sure if we need to add the birth year since the info didn't appear on t.p.

Yes. I also found $10-14 on OCLC. It is weird that we have those ready-made authority records in this practice assignment.

Thank you everyone for sharing your answers. Without your help, I probably cannot finish this assignment alone.

Assignment 2 revised

Hi


I e-mailed revised version again. (TakamaruA2b.doc)


Fix fields:

Ref status:
a References have been evaluated and are consistent with headings
b References have not been evaluated (found, but never used)
n Not applicable (does not contain 4xx/5xx references)

Auth status:
a Fully established heading that has been used on a bibliographic record

Name:
a Differentiated personal name
b Undifferentiated personal name
n Not applicable (not a personal name heading) = 110/111

Source:
c Cooperative cataloging (i.e., NACO)

PS

sorry, forogt one last item..... #4 - I think we do include the 4xx's becuase of the different spelling. Somehow I hadn't thought about that this morning.

NACO assignment Emailed

Okay, I am feeling better about my answers now. Yes, some of these are in OCLC which is odd since Dr. Ellett said he made these up so we couldn't find them and just copy the answers....

I'm going to email my document over now. I did find my answer to the fixed field NAME - they should be A so I've corrected those. I also found some of my fixed field REF STATUS wasn't corrected coded for when using 4xx fields. So I fixed that.

#11 and #12 I feel the most shaky on. Any thoughts?

Personal Names

Hi all, I have today off to concentrate on homework. So far I've focused on the personal names.

Yes, the main entry needs to come first from an authorized source, such as the Title page. Also not always is the fullest form of the name the one that is most commonly used. I know #4 has been discussed in the WIKI but I'm still not sure about that one, if the other 400's are necessary. In the ppt for personal names, slide 159 + mentioned adding other variant forms only if in same source and if adding information. So I don't know if both of the 400's are necessary for #4.

My other question is about fixed fields. Does anyone know about the Name field? A for Differentiated and B for Undifferentiated. Aren't they all A? Or is it only when there's a date as well? I've gone with the later, but I don't think it's right.

Also, I had to clean up the records from the file Dr. Bob gave us. The formatting looked messy and I had a hard time seeing what was there, especially for the fixed fields.
Okay, working on the corp names now....

After the elluminate session last night

Hi

How was the elluminate session last night? We will select a library for assign. 6.
I will be able to interview my supervior ( a head of cataloging department).

I noticed the 1xx has to come from T.P. So, I will revise my work.

Are we dividing our work?
#1-#4?
#5-#7?
#8-#10?
#11-#14?

But, I found #10 through #14 from OCLC authority records (corporate names & #14 personal name)

So, we might be able to concentrate on #2-#9 (except #4).


Please let me know

Assignment Two

Hi

It's exciting stuff! Don't worry!

I send my answer to you guys by e-mail.

I found OCLC authority records for #10-#14.

Please take a look at my answers and let me know what you think.

Especially, I need your help on #9.

NACO

I'm hoping that tomorrow's class will help in easing some of the confusion with this assignment.
I feel a bit overwhelmed, or is it muddling through. So many rules!! How does one remember all of these?
Okay, so how are we dividing up the assignment? I've just been working on the assignment for practice - maybe we can compare answers as with the cataloging? Or is it easier just to split as suggested?